It is tricky she usually shuts down but today she was willing to talk. We actually found some common ground.
Posts by nugget
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5They are only human
by nugget invisited my mum today.
she i a jw and usually refuses to talk about issues around the jw organisation however today i had an opportunity to debate with her.. we were discussing the elders and that sometimes they made mistakes.
her response was "they are human and humans make mistakes.
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They are only human
by nugget invisited my mum today.
she i a jw and usually refuses to talk about issues around the jw organisation however today i had an opportunity to debate with her.. we were discussing the elders and that sometimes they made mistakes.
her response was "they are human and humans make mistakes.
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nugget
Visited my mum today. She i a JW and usually refuses to talk about issues around the JW organisation however today I had an opportunity to debate with her.
We were discussing the elders and that sometimes they made mistakes. Her response was "they are human and humans make mistakes."
I said to her " You could say the same about any group or religion. By using this excuse you are saying you are not special and no different from anyone else. Surely if you are the ONLY representatives of god on Earth you should be striving for a higher standard that elevates you from other groups."
I am so fed up with this excuse as a coverall for any failing. I would expect at the very least for anyone who sets themselves up as a devine conduit to be striving to be worthy of the honour and be making a real effort rather than the lazy fallback position.
She was willing to accept that witnesses put too much trust in the elders and that some are not worthy of the trust. We discussed the concept of sin and how there is a lack of recognition that some of the things classed as sins are actually crimes and as a holy society there should be no tolerance for this. My mum argued that if the person was repentant then they should be accepted back . I argued that the issue of repentance was entirely separate to any criminal penalty and to be true shepherds they had a duty of care to the congregation and seek legal remedy if they were made aware of any crimes.
It was the most open discussion we have had in a long time and she was able to recognise that not every thing the society say or does is right. It's taken 8 years to reach this point.
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NWT 1984 vs NWT 2013
by Tallon ini recently had a discussion with a jw concerning a change in wording of a scripture - in fact this was my all time favourite scripture, namely, micah 6:8.. my view is that the wtbts have deliberately changed the wording and meaning of the said scripture.
the other person is of the opinion that that is not the case.
micah 6:8.
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nugget
That scripture stuck out to me as it had previously been one I loved. It is a deliberate change of word a deliberate mis-translation. It completely changes the intent of the scripture and sets the person up as a guardian of obedience rather than an active person showing kindness to others.
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Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple
by Simon inseems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.
it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.
it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.
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nugget
I wouldn't want someone with such a strong religious bias to make anything for me. However does he refuse to make wedding cakes for couples who cohabit and atheists? Does he refuse to make Halloween cakes or pagan cakes? If this is souly about his religious viewpoint not about prejudice then he would need to be consistent.
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CO asked for everyone 20 years old & younger for a group photo
by LevelThePlayingField inthere was a co visit in ohio a couple weeks ago.
when he was finishing up his sunday talk he said that he would like if "all the children that are from this congregation, not if you're just visiting, but from this congregation to come on up on the stage right after the meeting because i want to get a picture of you.".
i thought to myself, why?
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nugget
One CO visit all the children were asked to draw their favorite Bible character. My daughter drew Esther but when she got to the platform her mind went blank. When the CO asked her who she had drawn she said Princess Fiona.Part of me died whilst the other part of me tried hard not to laugh.
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Public Talk invitations ....Next to .Zero Attendees
by smiddy3 infrom my conversion at the end of 1959 to my leaving the j.w`s about early 1993 i remember especially in the first 20 -30 years or so giving out invitations to public talks that were to be given at our local k.h.
every time i went out in the service witnessing from door to door week in week out i would leave these tracts at not at homes or whoever would accept them .. and in my personal experience i cannot recall more than five worldly / non j.w.
people , if that , who came to a public talk as a result of the invitations given at the doors in our witnessing work in the 33 years of my being an active jehovah`s witness .. and none of them ever became a jehovah`s witness .. was it just me ?
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nugget
My first memory of service is handing out tracts for a special talk. No one ever came I was in the organisation for 4 decades so it was a lot of hard work for nothing.
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Assisted living for older JWs
by StarTrekAngel ini am asking of your assistance at this time on a topic.
i know this has been briefly covered before but some of the link in old threads are no longer working.
the topic is these communities created for older jws.
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nugget
As far as I know this is a private enterprise.
Here is there list of FAQs
How many homes are there and where are they located?
We have four homes. Blackpool, Leyland and Merthyr Tydfil are all registered for residential care and our home in Wigan is registered for residential and nursing care.
Categories: location
How do I express my interest in coming to Jah-Jireh?
You will need to complete our application form. If you need any help with this or would prefer to speak to someone first, then please contact the admissions team:
Tel: 01772 633380
Email: [email protected]Categories: admission , application
What availability is there for respite care?
At least one room in every home is designated for respite care. A booking can be confirmed only when Jah-Jireh has agreed that your care needs can be met.
Categories: respite care
I am my mother’s/father’s main carer and I am struggling to cope. Can you help?
Yes we can. Provided we can meet the required care needs, we can offer respite care (minimum of one week) to help you to have a break from your caring role. Your local Social Services team may agree to assist you with the funding if you meet their criteria.
Categories: respite care
Could I receive regular respite care?
Yes, provided we have rooms available and we can meet your needs. We welcome brothers and sisters back repeatedly for respite breaks. You may be able to obtain council funding for a number of weeks per year.
Categories: respite care
What is in a respite room?
Our respite rooms contain a bed, 2 sets of drawers, a wardrobe and an armchair. They usually have a TV as well.
Categories: respite care , bedroom, furniture
How can I contact a social worker?
If you contact your local council and ask for the Adult Social Care team, a duty officer will take your details and refer you to a social worker who may then contact you to make arrangements to visit you.
Categories: Social Services , Social Worker
Will I have to sell my home before coming to Jah-Jireh if I don’t have savings?
You could to discuss this with your local council. They may be able to help you with their ‘Deferred Payments’ scheme. In any case please contact our admissions team to discuss your options.
Categories: property , finances, Social Services
What if I have no home to sell, no savings and the funding offered by the council does not cover the cost of care at Jah-Jireh?
Do not be put off. Please contact us to discuss your options
What if I feel that I or a relative needs residential care but my social worker disagrees?
Please contact us to discuss your situation. Our advisors may be able to suggest a suitable course of action.
Categories: Social Worker , Social Services, assessment
Do you provide nursing care?
Yes, our home in Wigan, Lancashire is able to provide nursing care.
Categories: nursing care , admissions
Do you take people who have dementia?
Yes we do, provided we are able to meet their care needs. A full assessment of physical and mental health care needs is required in order to determine this.
Categories: assessment , dementia care, admissions
I am a baptised Jehovah’s Witness, but my spouse is not, although they attend all of the meetings at Kingdom Hall. Could we both come to Jah-Jireh together?
Please contact our admissions team to discuss your situation.
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Assisted living for older JWs
by StarTrekAngel ini am asking of your assistance at this time on a topic.
i know this has been briefly covered before but some of the link in old threads are no longer working.
the topic is these communities created for older jws.
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nugget
See below the marketing spiel for one of their homes in Wigan in the UK. My MIL worked there for a while. I have heard rumours that the working practices were as you would expect from a JW focused business. I.e. they employed JWs but then wouldn't pay extra for Christmas working.
Our home in Wigan was purchased in 1995 and opened in 1996 after renovations were completed. Jah-Jireh Wigan is different from our other care homes as it is also registered as a Nursing Home and cares for some of our more frail residents. We care for the elderly and also some younger brothers and sisters who have physical disabilities. It is a two storey building with lounges and sitting areas on both levels. The lounges and dining room overlook the gardens which are beautifully maintained with comfortable sitting areas that can be utilised for entertaining visitors.
We have nurses on duty 24 hours a day who work under the close direction of both our Nursing Manager (an RGN) and Business Manager, along with a team of experienced carers, 40% of which have been working with us for more than 5 years.
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nugget
Hi nice to see you even if it is on line. Waves back across the Solent
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nugget
I have heard the thing about building halls in Africa.Where specifically in Africa? How many halls? I can find lots o images of halls being sold have yet to see halls that have been built.