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  Anyone pissed at their parents for raising you in the cult?

  by blownaway in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my mother was not the most emotionally stable person.

  she was a follower and instilled in me the idea we were better than those worldly people.

  its hard to go to school as a child and you can not be friends outside of school, you can not celebrate any holidays, and you are told all these people are going to die.

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  There is a degree of anger and regret. My mum was the right personality type to be attracted to the organisation. She allowed the organisation to take precedent over everything and trusted them totally. This meant that when abuse happened she looked to the elders and allowed them to deal with a situation that should have been reported to the Police. She broke the family driving wedges between us and is unaware and does not accept the damage her religion ha caused.

  When I had my own children I could see very quickly that the religion was not understanding of their needs. I knew field service was mortifying and meetings were boring and sometimes inappropriate for small children. I could see them being crushed by this religion and could not accept it. Their needs were instrumental in my decision to leave and I cannot understand why for my mother the needs of her children were not important.
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  News spot for JW convention - keep barf bags ready

  by days of future passed in

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  i could barely stand listening to it.

  watching the jw pushers at the same time was too much.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgix-5pfwf4.

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  Totally bait and switch. Saying that they offer help dealing with the problems and anxieties they face where in reality it is about conditioning the faithful to be obedient to the directives of the GB. To stick with the crazy because the world hates JWs and is corrupt.

  No collections but plenty of collection boxes.
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  Are you Enjoying the World Cup?

  by snugglebunny in

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  2. physical

  great to see such an eager young team.

  harry kane is incredible.

  oops..you'll have to click on the play on youtube link below.

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  my husband is on business in Germany and was watching the Korea Germany game in the hotel. He had to leave after Korea scored their second goal knocking Germany out of the competition because he couldn't restrain himself from yelling "Yes!!" in a room full of Germans.

  He may make it home alive but who knows.
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  LEAK: 3000 buildings to liquidate. How to choose? (Watchtower propaganda video)

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/pzdxen9rvw0.

  as the leaked financial meetings show, watchtower (by it's own admission) has to liquidate 3000+ properties quickly.

  how do they choose?

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  It is surprising that finances seem so bleak bearing in mind the cash grab for all the reserves held by the congregations and the sales of prime real estate that have already taken place. If donations are down then congregations are loss making. I forsee continued pressure to donate and elderly ones being pressured to leave money to the society since there are fewer younger ones giving generously.
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  LEAK: 3000 buildings to liquidate. How to choose? (Watchtower propaganda video)

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/pzdxen9rvw0.

  as the leaked financial meetings show, watchtower (by it's own admission) has to liquidate 3000+ properties quickly.

  how do they choose?

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  This is a little disingenuous. In our area real estate i being liquidated rather than fully utilised. Congregations aren't moving to fill space on the contrary smaller congregations are being moved to larger ones so the hall can be sold.

  The financial report seems very gloomy it does not seem like a group bathing in the abundance God provides rather than agroup living beyond its means and needing to tighten it's belt.
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  They are only human

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  visited my mum today.

  she i a jw and usually refuses to talk about issues around the jw organisation however today i had an opportunity to debate with her.. we were discussing the elders and that sometimes they made mistakes.

  her response was "they are human and humans make mistakes.

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  It is tricky she usually shuts down but today she was willing to talk. We actually found some common ground.
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  They are only human

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  visited my mum today.

  she i a jw and usually refuses to talk about issues around the jw organisation however today i had an opportunity to debate with her.. we were discussing the elders and that sometimes they made mistakes.

  her response was "they are human and humans make mistakes.

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  Visited my mum today. She i a JW and usually refuses to talk about issues around the JW organisation however today I had an opportunity to debate with her.

  We were discussing the elders and that sometimes they made mistakes. Her response was "they are human and humans make mistakes."

  I said to her " You could say the same about any group or religion. By using this excuse you are saying you are not special and no different from anyone else. Surely if you are the ONLY representatives of god on Earth you should be striving for a higher standard that elevates you from other groups."

  I am so fed up with this excuse as a coverall for any failing. I would expect at the very least for anyone who sets themselves up as a devine conduit to be striving to be worthy of the honour and be making a real effort rather than the lazy fallback position.

  She was willing to accept that witnesses put too much trust in the elders and that some are not worthy of the trust. We discussed the concept of sin and how there is a lack of recognition that some of the things classed as sins are actually crimes and as a holy society there should be no tolerance for this. My mum argued that if the person was repentant then they should be accepted back . I argued that the issue of repentance was entirely separate to any criminal penalty and to be true shepherds they had a duty of care to the congregation and seek legal remedy if they were made aware of any crimes.

  It was the most open discussion we have had in a long time and she was able to recognise that not every thing the society say or does is right. It's taken 8 years to reach this point.
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  NWT 1984 vs NWT 2013

  by Tallon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently had a discussion with a jw concerning a change in wording of a scripture - in fact this was my all time favourite scripture, namely, micah 6:8.. my view is that the wtbts have deliberately changed the wording and meaning of the said scripture.

  the other person is of the opinion that that is not the case.

  micah 6:8.

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  That scripture stuck out to me as it had previously been one I loved. It is a deliberate change of word a deliberate mis-translation. It completely changes the intent of the scripture and sets the person up as a guardian of obedience rather than an active person showing kindness to others.
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  Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

  by Simon in

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  2. current

  seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.

  it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.

  it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.

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  I wouldn't want someone with such a strong religious bias to make anything for me. However does he refuse to make wedding cakes for couples who cohabit and atheists? Does he refuse to make Halloween cakes or pagan cakes? If this is souly about his religious viewpoint not about prejudice then he would need to be consistent.
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  CO asked for everyone 20 years old & younger for a group photo

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there was a co visit in ohio a couple weeks ago.

  when he was finishing up his sunday talk he said that he would like if "all the children that are from this congregation, not if you're just visiting, but from this congregation to come on up on the stage right after the meeting because i want to get a picture of you.".

  i thought to myself, why?

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  One CO visit all the children were asked to draw their favorite Bible character. My daughter drew Esther but when she got to the platform her mind went blank. When the CO asked her who she had drawn she said Princess Fiona.Part of me died whilst the other part of me tried hard not to laugh.