Posts by jelly

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A Plan to Stop Gun Violence

by Crazy151drinker in

jw
friends

ok folks here is my plan to reduce the amount of gun violence in the u.s. im sorry but i cannot help out the european countries becuase a) i dont live in europe and b) only naughty people have guns in europe.. ok. i have come to the conclusion that drugs in the u.s. need to be not only de-criminalized but legalized so that they can be taxed.

by legalizing drugs the profit gained by selling them will plummet and it will not be cost effective for gang members and cartels to import/deal drugs in the u.s. and the violence surrounding drugs will vanish as there will be no motive (ie $$$$$) to commit such violence.. ok. now the problems.

1) no one likes to admit they are wrong (especially the govt.).

jelly

No, I think maybe I failed to clearly make my point. If drugs were legalized the immediate effect on the number of users would not change. Drug users are going to be drug users no matter the law. What has to be changed is the way society views the drugs. If society as a whole sees drugs in the same way you do then I believe the drug problem will disappear. The question is how? How, do we change the view of society?

The model solution I see is how cigarettes are treated in America. Cigarettes are highly taxed with the part of the revenue going for a very successful ad campaign detailing the effects of tobacco smoke. This ad campaign has been very effective in changing the way Americans view smoking and the numbers are dropping.

Legalizing drugs is not the perfect solution but it is the only one I see. What is being done now is simply not working.

I guess in short what I am saying is that I have seen the way the government is treating tobacco use (as addictive as herion) and the results are good. I have also seen the results of the war on drugs and it seems to be failing.

Terry

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is this acceptable punishment for kids of JWS?

by phillipau in

i am not a jw myself but i am wondering if this is the proper punishment for kids of jws ?.

my 2 neices are aged 12 &10 their step dad and mother are practising jw,s and the step dad thinks this is acepptable punishment for these girls.

he pulls down their knickers and hits these girls with a belt untill there are welts on their backsides.

jelly

This is unacceptable for a couple of reasons. First beating your kids until they have welts is just wrong, very wrong. Two any adult male pulling down a 12 year old girls pants to spank her is verging on creeepy, I wonder if this guy is a perv. Highly inappropriate.

Terry

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A Plan to Stop Gun Violence

by Crazy151drinker in

jw
friends

ok folks here is my plan to reduce the amount of gun violence in the u.s. im sorry but i cannot help out the european countries becuase a) i dont live in europe and b) only naughty people have guns in europe.. ok. i have come to the conclusion that drugs in the u.s. need to be not only de-criminalized but legalized so that they can be taxed.

by legalizing drugs the profit gained by selling them will plummet and it will not be cost effective for gang members and cartels to import/deal drugs in the u.s. and the violence surrounding drugs will vanish as there will be no motive (ie $$$$$) to commit such violence.. ok. now the problems.

1) no one likes to admit they are wrong (especially the govt.).

jelly

Spannerintheworks,

I agree with you that drugs are destructive and terrible. I am defiantly anti-drug; but, I am also pro-solution. What the government is doing at the moment is simply not working and is in itself destructive to peoples lives. I think an actual solution would be to legalize and control, and then treat it like the government treats tobacco. The campaign against tobacco in America is working, less and less people are smoking. Along with the legalization should come very strict laws limiting exactly where and when the stuff could be sold, advertised, and consumed. Not a perfect solution I know but a better one that the current I think.

Terry

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

Funkyderek,

Who needs scientific evidence? Here is the basic format for every raced based argument for, reparations, special privileges, and the legalized unequal treatment of other groups.

Step 1: State a historical fact of past race crimes, it doesnt matter how far back you go 400 years ago is as good as yesterday. Its okay to exaggerate but not necessary.

Step 2: Connect the fact with some problem that the minority group in question is dealing with today. No evidence needs to be made for the connection just act like A leads to B as a matter of course. If anyone questions this stare at them blankly and imply that they are a racist.

Step 3: Give a solution that will correct the racism of the past, the usually involves money, favored job status, things like that. In essence, a reverse form of Jim crow laws.

Example:
(Step 1) 150 years ago my family was slaves, (Step 2) this is why my car payment is late, (Step 3) give me money.

Terry

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

You have made the conscious decision to keep bringing up an issue that is not relevant. I guess that is much easier for you than showing some connection between your lynchings and African-American / Indian economic disparity.

Oh well, the research you offered was not relevant to the point you were attempting to make. Even if every statement you made was true, which I didnt even debate, it does not amount to evidence to support your argument. An argument without evidence is simply an assertion. You are asserting that historical injustices for minorities justify current special privileges. My point, which you will never get, is that the whole concept of someone paying for their genetic precursors sins is itself a racist idea; completely at odds with MLKs color blind society. That is why you are a racist.

ASIAN PREJUDICE:
You are the first person I have met, that was not a klansmen, which argued against the existence of Asian prejudice in American. Here is a book title for you: Strangers from a different shore by Ronald Takaki Professor Asian studies UC Berkley
Some highlights:
Asians were not allowed to marry whites
At one point Asian women could not immigrate to America
Asians could only work in certain jobs (Gold mining labors, laundry workers, prostitutes)
Asians had to pay a special foreign miners tax that was created just for them
Asians could not own land
Asians were paid a fraction of what white co-workers were paid when they tried to strike they were starved into submission
Asians were interned during World War II

Not really looking forward to your next post because I doubt it will have any value; if you can manage a coherent argument however, I would be happy to read it.

Terry

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

You refused to answer my question: what is the connection? Most probably, because there is no connection but just the attempt to string together two unrelated events.

To answer your question, because unlike you I both have and will answer questions, your race hate comes from the fact that you feel people are guilty solely because of the color of their skin. You feel you are a victim because of your skin color, even though you have never felt the crimes you mention. You feel white people should pay for crimes that they did not commit just because they were born with the sin of being white. The society you want is not quite the colorblind society envisioned by MLK.

So, I will repeat my questions; since the late 1960s (in recent history) Asians, African-Americans, and Indians have had the same hurdles put before them; why did Asians succeed where others have failed? How is the activities of individuals in the 1600s provide you with an excuse for your failures today?

Looking forward to your next condescending and empty response.

Terry

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

Your argument is so weak as to almost be pointless. How do you draw a parallel between Indians/blacks lack of education with the long-dead practice of lynching. You make a statement but then show now connection. In addition, your use of statistics is dishonest; 1882 1968 is a huge period. When people use stats like this they are attempting to paint a picture that does not exist. I would be interested to see a decade-by-decade break down of the lynchings. The point being is that the vast majority of the lynchings occurred pre 1940, extending the period to 1968 is just your attempt to paint a picture that does not exist. Not that it matters because you never showed a connection. In short, your argument is; white people treated minorities horrible in the past, give me money.

My point is, not that you can understand because that would involve looking through your own race hate, that none of these crimes happened to you and none of the people that committed them are alive. Your viewpoint is just a self-justification for racism directed at other groups of people.

Asians in the modern era (1960+), you know the ones living today not 150 years ago, faced the same amount of job discrimination as other minorities but because of a commitment to education they overcame. The job market today is a much more balanced playing field; the opportunities exist if you want them. Its a pity you didnt read my first post it would do you good.

As far as 150 year old Asian discrimination, it does not matter. But, if it makes you feel better read up on the railroad industry.

Terry

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WHAT DID YOU MISS OUT ON WHEN IN THE BORG

by nightwarrior in

jw
friends

we as a family allways wanted a family pet as in (dog ) but as the ministry loomed every weekend ,as well as the meetings we decided that it would be to much trouble ,subconciously the influence came from other members in the congregation ,which in turn came from the elders in turn from the bethel ,allways sprouting on about the ministry first ,you never had time for anything elsemow ,yes a dog would be to much trouble,but now,for the past two /half years my younger children are enjoying the companionship of an animal in the house,as well as 2 cats which we have had for past eight years,.

did you find time for animals.. what did you miss out on ,allso for past 14 years we have had different caravans and motor homes ,.

what did you miss out on when in the borg ,and how did it affect you.

jelly

I didnt grow up as a jw I became one in my early 20's, but during my stint as a collective member what did I miss. Sex, the good kind, the kind you have to clean up with a mop a bucket when your done.

Terry

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Momentous Times Ahead! (Next Week)

by reporter in

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friends

hans blix report is due out monday, and the "state of the dis-union address" will be given out on tuesday.

larc mentioned previously about abolition of the irs, and simon mentioned about fairness in taxation, not just in the u.s., but worldwide.

the key to all of this is nesara, which passed in 2000 in a secret session of congress, and signed into law by bill clinton 10 days before he left office, but has yet to be announced yet!

jelly

On September 11, there were exactly four airplanes that the US had ready to scramble in case of an emergency. The reason for this is two fold; first, it is expensive to keep airplanes ready for immediate take off and two, the USAF thought there was absolutely no reason to worry about air cover over the continental United States.

As for how the airplanes avoided radar remember there is different kinds of radar with different ranges and the entire country is not covered by radar. When a plane is out of radar range it most have its IFF beacon on are no body will know where it is. After September 11, thats why we had those AWACs patrols for a while a few AWACs can cover the whole continent with radar.

The airforce does have the technology to detect all the things you mentioned but they still have to be looking in the correct direction are it does not work.

Terry

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

The biggest obstacle for most minorities to achieve some form of success today is their own subculture of ignorance, victimization, and entitlement. Asian people came to America suffered the same set of unfair circumstances and made it, why not the black of Indian community? Read my previous post if you want my view. I think most of the reparations supporters should keep in mind what they want is some payment for a crime that never happened to them, and they want the people that did not commit it to pay. The playing field is mostly equal now so succeed or rot nobody stole your building blocks.

Terry