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The US military INTENTIONALLY KILLS innocent people??? Where?? When???
by Stan Conroy in
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this question was posed by yeru in another post.

i have no interest in getting involved in that post, but this is an interesting question.

supporters of the us feel that there country alone is on the moral high ground, and incapable of such an act.
jelly
Simon,
I am responding becuase I think this might help you understand history. You must always look at who is talking and what motivation they have.
For example Douglas MacArthur hated Trumen you know the guy that dropped the Bomb. You think that discrediting Truman might have had something to do with his statement. Always check out your source that way you will not get played.
Also I sited facts of what happened:
On onkinawa even with a vastly inferior army the loss of life was great
this would indicate that even with a completly reduced or nearly destroyed army the causilties of attacking japan would have been extreme
Even if the Emperor and some millitary and civillian government wanter to surrender they couldnt the army would not let them
Attacking Japan would have cost a terrible amount of lives both American and Japanese
Alot of you information is quotes of peoples opinions, not the same as evidence. And subject to bias.
If you can give me the title of one peer reviewed book that supports your claims I will read it and tell you what I think.
Terry
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Then Leave.com
by SheilaM in
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i love this website

http://www.asmincorp.com/thenleave/thenleave_001.htm
jelly

Disagreement is one thing. Blinding hate for your country is another. Not being I child I can differentiate between the two. I once saw and interveiw with a Muslim girl that claimed she felt more freedom in Eygpt then New York. I though to myself, then why stay. It's an honest question, if you hate this country if you feel you are oppressed why stay. If I was 'oppresed' and would be treated as an equal in Eygpt I would be on the boat by noon.
My feeling is the percent of people spewing this rhetoric that actually believe it is low. Most of these people are just self rightous trolls.
BTW: I do disagree with many of the things my country does, but I think the system they have for doing it is the best.
Terry
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The US military INTENTIONALLY KILLS innocent people??? Where?? When???
by Stan Conroy in
1. social
2. current
this question was posed by yeru in another post.

i have no interest in getting involved in that post, but this is an interesting question.

supporters of the us feel that there country alone is on the moral high ground, and incapable of such an act.
jelly
Simon,
Dude I am not going to continue this argument with you past this post. First, your source is flawed. Members of the government and some millitary might have wanted to surrender, but there is no way they could have, the army would have never allowed it. Even after the dropping of the Atomic Bombs some Army officers didnt want to surrender and attempted (but failed) to start a coup. The Japanese were not going to surrender, they were going to fight just like they did on okinawa, where underslupplied and overmatched they created a great deal of blood letting on both sides.
In all seriousness picking one source ( are sources all having a simialr viewpoint) and then forming wild historical views is a flawed practice. It is indicitive on an individual that wants to find information to fit his own preconcivied idea.
America:
Has failed in a large way in Asia, allowing millions to die in Cambodia through well intentioned by failed policies
Has like the rest of the world failed Africa (800K dead in a genocide while the world watched)
Has issues with Racism but is much better today that 20 years ago and a completly different country than it was 40 years ago
Has supported bastards in Central and South America when we probably did not have to
I can admit when America fails, but I will not change history just to suit your prejudices.
Terry
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The US military INTENTIONALLY KILLS innocent people??? Where?? When???
by Stan Conroy in
1. social
2. current
this question was posed by yeru in another post.

i have no interest in getting involved in that post, but this is an interesting question.

supporters of the us feel that there country alone is on the moral high ground, and incapable of such an act.
jelly

Kent State serves two lessons.
First, dont throw bricks at 19 year old boys with machine guns. They did not make the rules the politicians did, they did not order themselves to deploy the generals did. Throwing rocks and bricks at 19 year olds is chicken shit behavior. Use the process and change the laws.
Second, the national guard cannot shoot. What was it like 7 hippies killed. I could have bagged 7 hippes with a bolt action rifle, with an m-16 I could have brought down like 20 easy. We really need to teach the national guard to shoot better. I guess the trick is to realize hippies cant run very fast they are too stoned. They do tend to weave and not run in a straight line thought. So the trick is dont lead them as much and bracket them in with about three shots, that should do the trick.
Terry (respect my authorata)
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Are you comfortable with voting now?
by Brummie in
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i admit i have never voted (shame), the last couple of years i have decided to vote but when the time comes i back out.

i like having the freedom to choose whether to vote or not but i never know who to vote on the day that counts and then i feel uncomfortable at the last minute.. how about you?

brummie
jelly

Independent is good, they are the 20% of the population that actually thinks before they cast their vote. I registered Rep. because I wanted to do the primaries.
Terry
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The US military INTENTIONALLY KILLS innocent people??? Where?? When???
by Stan Conroy in
1. social
2. current
this question was posed by yeru in another post.

i have no interest in getting involved in that post, but this is an interesting question.

supporters of the us feel that there country alone is on the moral high ground, and incapable of such an act.
jelly

If thats what you want to believe, I mean the war did range on for many years after the bomb was dropped. And the Japanese hardly put up any fight at all on Okinawa (sp?).
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Are you comfortable with voting now?
by Brummie in
1. jw
2. friends
i admit i have never voted (shame), the last couple of years i have decided to vote but when the time comes i back out.

i like having the freedom to choose whether to vote or not but i never know who to vote on the day that counts and then i feel uncomfortable at the last minute.. how about you?

brummie
jelly

Yes, I vote and I love it. I am thinking of donating some of my time to the Rep. party. It depends on who they run. I'm a progressive republican which means I am left on social issues but on economic ones I am to the right. The problem out here in California is that Republicans keep attempting to run Social Conservatives which I dont like.
Terry
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The US military INTENTIONALLY KILLS innocent people??? Where?? When???
by Stan Conroy in
1. social
2. current
this question was posed by yeru in another post.

i have no interest in getting involved in that post, but this is an interesting question.

supporters of the us feel that there country alone is on the moral high ground, and incapable of such an act.
jelly

they word you are reaching for is blinders simon not blinkers. I am not sure what reading with blinkers on would entail.
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The US military INTENTIONALLY KILLS innocent people??? Where?? When???
by Stan Conroy in
1. social
2. current
this question was posed by yeru in another post.

i have no interest in getting involved in that post, but this is an interesting question.

supporters of the us feel that there country alone is on the moral high ground, and incapable of such an act.
jelly

did not 'end the war'

Simons grasp of history; he claims the bombs did not end the war. I'll just leave it at that.
Terry
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The US military INTENTIONALLY KILLS innocent people??? Where?? When???
by Stan Conroy in
1. social
2. current
this question was posed by yeru in another post.

i have no interest in getting involved in that post, but this is an interesting question.

supporters of the us feel that there country alone is on the moral high ground, and incapable of such an act.
jelly
Well, it appears my post was deleted, what a shock.
My points were basically this:
The dropping of the atomic bombs saved many lives; if you are faced with 2 bad choices (1) drop the bomb that kills 200K people and (2) fight without the bomb which kills 2 million people how is it moral to make the choice that kills the greater amount of people
The Euros come to their conclusion that 2 million dead is moral (as opposed to 200k) because of the following reasons
Euro's have always been anti semitic and they still are when they are not burning synagogs or stuffing jews into ovens they are bitching about the Americans because we stop them from doing what they love best - killing jews
Because we stop Euros from killing jews they hate us and like it when we die. They figure if enough Americans die we wont be able to stop them from killing their jews.
Therefore euros will always see as moral the option that kills more Americans choice number (2)

Read it quick its probably going away.

Terry