Posts by jelly

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

You have made the conscious decision to keep bringing up an issue that is not relevant. I guess that is much easier for you than showing some connection between your lynchings and African-American / Indian economic disparity.

Oh well, the research you offered was not relevant to the point you were attempting to make. Even if every statement you made was true, which I didnt even debate, it does not amount to evidence to support your argument. An argument without evidence is simply an assertion. You are asserting that historical injustices for minorities justify current special privileges. My point, which you will never get, is that the whole concept of someone paying for their genetic precursors sins is itself a racist idea; completely at odds with MLKs color blind society. That is why you are a racist.

ASIAN PREJUDICE:
You are the first person I have met, that was not a klansmen, which argued against the existence of Asian prejudice in American. Here is a book title for you: Strangers from a different shore by Ronald Takaki Professor Asian studies UC Berkley
Some highlights:
Asians were not allowed to marry whites
At one point Asian women could not immigrate to America
Asians could only work in certain jobs (Gold mining labors, laundry workers, prostitutes)
Asians had to pay a special foreign miners tax that was created just for them
Asians could not own land
Asians were paid a fraction of what white co-workers were paid when they tried to strike they were starved into submission
Asians were interned during World War II

Not really looking forward to your next post because I doubt it will have any value; if you can manage a coherent argument however, I would be happy to read it.

Terry

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

You refused to answer my question: what is the connection? Most probably, because there is no connection but just the attempt to string together two unrelated events.

To answer your question, because unlike you I both have and will answer questions, your race hate comes from the fact that you feel people are guilty solely because of the color of their skin. You feel you are a victim because of your skin color, even though you have never felt the crimes you mention. You feel white people should pay for crimes that they did not commit just because they were born with the sin of being white. The society you want is not quite the colorblind society envisioned by MLK.

So, I will repeat my questions; since the late 1960s (in recent history) Asians, African-Americans, and Indians have had the same hurdles put before them; why did Asians succeed where others have failed? How is the activities of individuals in the 1600s provide you with an excuse for your failures today?

Looking forward to your next condescending and empty response.

Terry

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

Your argument is so weak as to almost be pointless. How do you draw a parallel between Indians/blacks lack of education with the long-dead practice of lynching. You make a statement but then show now connection. In addition, your use of statistics is dishonest; 1882 1968 is a huge period. When people use stats like this they are attempting to paint a picture that does not exist. I would be interested to see a decade-by-decade break down of the lynchings. The point being is that the vast majority of the lynchings occurred pre 1940, extending the period to 1968 is just your attempt to paint a picture that does not exist. Not that it matters because you never showed a connection. In short, your argument is; white people treated minorities horrible in the past, give me money.

My point is, not that you can understand because that would involve looking through your own race hate, that none of these crimes happened to you and none of the people that committed them are alive. Your viewpoint is just a self-justification for racism directed at other groups of people.

Asians in the modern era (1960+), you know the ones living today not 150 years ago, faced the same amount of job discrimination as other minorities but because of a commitment to education they overcame. The job market today is a much more balanced playing field; the opportunities exist if you want them. Its a pity you didnt read my first post it would do you good.

As far as 150 year old Asian discrimination, it does not matter. But, if it makes you feel better read up on the railroad industry.

Terry

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WHAT DID YOU MISS OUT ON WHEN IN THE BORG

by nightwarrior in

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we as a family allways wanted a family pet as in (dog ) but as the ministry loomed every weekend ,as well as the meetings we decided that it would be to much trouble ,subconciously the influence came from other members in the congregation ,which in turn came from the elders in turn from the bethel ,allways sprouting on about the ministry first ,you never had time for anything elsemow ,yes a dog would be to much trouble,but now,for the past two /half years my younger children are enjoying the companionship of an animal in the house,as well as 2 cats which we have had for past eight years,.

did you find time for animals.. what did you miss out on ,allso for past 14 years we have had different caravans and motor homes ,.

what did you miss out on when in the borg ,and how did it affect you.

jelly

I didnt grow up as a jw I became one in my early 20's, but during my stint as a collective member what did I miss. Sex, the good kind, the kind you have to clean up with a mop a bucket when your done.

Terry

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Momentous Times Ahead! (Next Week)

by reporter in

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hans blix report is due out monday, and the "state of the dis-union address" will be given out on tuesday.

larc mentioned previously about abolition of the irs, and simon mentioned about fairness in taxation, not just in the u.s., but worldwide.

the key to all of this is nesara, which passed in 2000 in a secret session of congress, and signed into law by bill clinton 10 days before he left office, but has yet to be announced yet!

jelly

On September 11, there were exactly four airplanes that the US had ready to scramble in case of an emergency. The reason for this is two fold; first, it is expensive to keep airplanes ready for immediate take off and two, the USAF thought there was absolutely no reason to worry about air cover over the continental United States.

As for how the airplanes avoided radar remember there is different kinds of radar with different ranges and the entire country is not covered by radar. When a plane is out of radar range it most have its IFF beacon on are no body will know where it is. After September 11, thats why we had those AWACs patrols for a while a few AWACs can cover the whole continent with radar.

The airforce does have the technology to detect all the things you mentioned but they still have to be looking in the correct direction are it does not work.

Terry

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

jelly

The biggest obstacle for most minorities to achieve some form of success today is their own subculture of ignorance, victimization, and entitlement. Asian people came to America suffered the same set of unfair circumstances and made it, why not the black of Indian community? Read my previous post if you want my view. I think most of the reparations supporters should keep in mind what they want is some payment for a crime that never happened to them, and they want the people that did not commit it to pay. The playing field is mostly equal now so succeed or rot nobody stole your building blocks.

Terry

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Operation Shock and Awe/Iraq

by MegaDude in

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beginning in a matter of weeks.... .

iraq faces massive u.s. missile barrage .

cbs) they're calling it "a-day," a as in airstrikes so devastating they would leave saddam's soldiers unable or unwilling to fight.

jelly

If you can read about it now rest assured it is not going to happen later. Just mind games.

Terry

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War and the economy

by Sadie5 in

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there are a lot of people saying that war will give our economy a boost and get everything running again.

i find it sad that lives have to risked and sacrifice so that we have jobs.

any thoughts?

jelly

Written extremely quickly very late at night so be warned.

This war is not the kind of war that is going to help our economy. When we fight Iraq there will be a flurry of ordinance used that will have to be replaced through production. However because the war with Iraq is probably going to be short (1 to 3 weeks) this is going to lead to very little job growth. The industry with the biggest boom will be the missile companies but they are not going to hire new employees for a short term production job, they will just pay overtime. A small group of Americans will benefit here but we are talking of only a few thousand. The next industry that will benefit is the artillery manufactures. Pretty much the same scenario, a flurry of production to get stock piles to where there were before the war than that is it. As far as all other forms of military hardware, planes, ships, tanks, etc. Most probably these industries will not be affected at all since American will probably loose very few.
To compare this war to WWII as far as creating an economic boom is like comparing apples and oranges. If anything the war on terror is a type of war that will hurt the American economy; a lot of money spent on hiring guards and very little money spent on making things.

Terry

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Truth about new tax plan....

by Xander in

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highlight:.

what the president said: "92 million americans will keep an average of $1,083 more of their own money when this tax plan goes through " .

what we found:.

jelly

BUSH TAX PLAN:

Problems:
Where the bush tax plan falls short is that it accomplishes nearly nothing. It will put more money back into the economy, which will provide a temporary boost to the economy but is defiantly not a permanent fix. Really, this solution is hardly better than the tax rebate everyone got back last year. It addresses none of the underlying issues that are slowing down the American economy and does nothing as far as permanent solutions. Also, a large portion of Americans own stock in the market via 401ks which are already tax exempt so no there will be no direct benefit; although there will be indirect ones through an increased portfolio value.

Largest Benefit:
The one benefit to the bush plan is that it will probably push the stock market 10% higher, which will in turn enable companies that sell new stock to gain 10% more income for capitol purchases. In essence making more money available to industry to buy more capitol, leading, theoretically, to industry that is more efficient and thus leading to a strengthened economy. But, with interest as low as it is companies have no difficulty now obtaining money for capitol purchases, in effect there is no shortage of money, so this solution will solve a non-existent problem. What there is a shortage of at the moment is demand. This has more to do with a nervous population than any real economic factors.

What needs to happen:
I am a firm believer in targeted tax cuts. For example, pass a tax cut for students tuition and more people will go to school leading to a more educated and productive workforce. Tax cuts are a way the government can point an economy in the direction that best benefits society as a whole. Note, I dont believe a government can control an economy they can just encourage certain behavior that is beneficial for a nation. I think the government needs to push two big tax cuts, one for small business (under 50 emps) that provide health care to their employees, the government should give business a large percentage of what they pay back. In reality, this is only fair as larger companies can bargain with insurance companies for better prices, small companies have no power and are at the whims of the insurance company. Two, a huge cut in payroll taxes for small business, this will allow smaller business to pay more (hopefully) and would also juice the economy with more money.

To be fair:
At least bush has a plan. The democrats have come up with nothing, the last rumor I heard was they were going to offer a tax rebate along the lines of what bush did last year. It really is inexcusable for them not to have at least some plan in the works after a 2 year economic down turn. Also, and this might not set well with some of you, the economy is not as bad as some people are making it out to be. Low interest and unemployment, this is not that bad of a recession at all. What has happened is that certain segments of the economy (telecom, tech) is completely screwed, and certain large companies are going belly up (kmart) so it makes the problem seem much worse than it is.

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What will they do.

by jelly in

how do you think the society will respond?.

many people in america think the un is useless.

it is more than just the recent iraq stuff.

jelly

HOW DO YOU THINK THE SOCIETY WILL RESPOND?

Many people in America think the UN is useless. It is more than just the recent Iraq stuff. It has to do with things like Libya having a seat on the human rights commission; and Americans feeling that the UN has a general inability to solve any problem anywhere at any time. It is possible, now more than anytime before, that America could one day pull out of the UN. If the UN collapses completely, like the League of Nations, how do you think the society will respond? If I remember, correctly when the Soviet Union collapsed the society just played a shell game with the king of the north. Their spin was the king of the north often changes identities. The United Nations however is a corner stone to their prophetic vision. I dont want the UN to collapse but it would be almost worth it to see how the Society would play it. I personally think the UN collapsing would rank somewhere between 1975 and the new light about the generation in scale of people making an exodus.

Terry