There are personal attacks all over this board, why single out mine? Honestly, personal attacks have been a part of this board from very early on. When it is directed against a group the Simon disagrees with they are allowed, otherwise they are not tolerated. So, save your criticism.
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Shredded Men
by Francois ini don't know if this is a "legal" post, but here it is:.
see men shredded, then say you don't back war.
by ann clwyd.
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This war is not about humanitarian issues or even freeing the Iraqi people those are just positive side benefits. What this article and Saddam’s record of human rights violations do accomplish however; is a complete dismissal of the leftist argument that we should not prosecute this war because innocents will die. Innocents are dying now. I’ll break it down like this:
Argument to remove Saddam
A: Saddam is attempting to build WMD’s
B: He has used them before and we fear he will use them on us
C: We need to enforce the cease-fire he signed 12 years ago or remove him from power
Argument to keep Saddam in power
D: But innocents will die
Rebuttal
E: Read the above article innocents are dying now
Of course, this argument has no effect on people that blame all deaths on America no matter what the situation. Or who think one person killed on a marine base equals the 100k’s killed by Saddam. But really, when people think like that no arguments will ever work.
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Why the left is failing
by jelly inmoderate
i define a moderate as someone that occasionally disagrees with their party of affiliation and will (and have) crossed party lines to vote.
in short, someone that does not always vote for one party, will criticize their party for errors and occasionally agree with the other side.
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Preston,
Sorry, I guess I misread your post. For the record, the Democrats have offered no economic stimulus packages in DC. You imply that they have a strong economic plan, well what is it. And why haven’t they advertised it. Details and facts not propaganda and generalizations please.
I don’t like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell either, they are not elected officials and have no bearing to the discussion.
Donald Rumsfeld I have no problem with. There is an argument that our ’allies’ are the ones that hurt our relationship, not by not siding with us, but by comparing Bush to Hitler and things like that.Oh well, check out this link too: http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/03/103.html and come back when you have a better explanation as to why the republicans want you to pay more for health care than the democrats do....
This statement proves exactly my point.- democratic underground - not a news source, its a spin source its like getting infomation from the RNC's web page.
- You criticize repulicans on healthcare; where are the democratic alternatives (not planned but actual current bills they are pushing, there are none, they used to have alternative bills for this but not anymore)
- You criticize Rumsfeld - whats the democratic alternatives, to the present course of action, i have heard of none
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Pentagon Threatens to Kill Independent Reporters in Iraq
by ashitaka inpentagon threatens.
to kill independent.
reporters in iraq
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Several news agencies (American and otherwise) have left reporters in Baghdad. I don’t think the Pentagon was saying they are planning on ‘killing’ the reporters; what they were saying is that they are not going to be able to easily discern friend from foe and might accidentally kill some reporters. To say that the Pentagon is threatening to kill reporters is a bit of yellow journalism and shows a strong bias.
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Your prediction for when the bombs drop
by freedom96 inthe last war with iraq started the night of the last chance to comply.
when do you predict this one will start?
my guess?
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If Iraq is not a better place when we get through I will apologize.
If there are massive American KIA's I will feel bad but I think this is a necessary war; so no I will not regret my support for war. Not sending them would lead to more massive deaths later. I know you don't agree with this but I do. By the way Simon, I know you Euros think all Americans love blowing crap up, but among the war-supporters I don't know of anyone that is Keen for this war. We think it is necessary and will lead to less deaths later.100K+ deaths we have already created.
Please save the crap. we are not the county that
- Starved the Irish
- Forced Opium on the Chinese
- Prevented India from selling cloth
- cross bred with the french
I think your channeling the ghost of JanH.
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Your prediction for when the bombs drop
by freedom96 inthe last war with iraq started the night of the last chance to comply.
when do you predict this one will start?
my guess?
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Simon
When this is over and we (Americans) have not killed hundreds of thousands, or jacked the oil from Iraq are you going to be man enough to apologize? No, of course not, just like a good
jwsocialist you will never admit your wrong.
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Why the left is failing
by jelly inmoderate
i define a moderate as someone that occasionally disagrees with their party of affiliation and will (and have) crossed party lines to vote.
in short, someone that does not always vote for one party, will criticize their party for errors and occasionally agree with the other side.
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I was talking about the midterm election, not the last presidential one
Preston
- The Republican gains in the last election were extrorodinay
- I also do not agree with Bush's tax cut but for valid reasons not mindless class warfare BS.
- Bush's tax cut (my criticisms)
- incrase the stockmarket value by 10% - not really necessary will help some pensioners but not a huge gain for economy
- enable companies to offer IPOs for more money - with interest rates low access to money is not a problem, this is not an issue that needs to be solved
- make money more readily available for capitol investment - see above
- increase a limited amount of cash flow into the economy - the group that will have significant increases is the same group that tends to invest and not spend so not as much will be pumped into economy as estimated
- Most Americans have 401k's they are already tax deductible so no benefit (other than a 10% gain in value of the portfolio)
- The economy is cyclical but the government does influnce it in one direction or another. Your take on the economy is not the same as the democrats, the 'hands off approach' is my closly tied to extreme right republicans. At the risk of sounding rude, you are completly wrong here. Read up on president Hoover, and the business cycles of the late 1800's and tell me if you still feel the government should just leave its hands off business. Don't get me wrong there is a balancing act here. Too much government will destroy and economy, too little regulation do almost as much damage.
- Dean sounds good, I would also like to see alternatives like vouchers and charter schools. This is why in my first post I said it was not good that the Dems were crippling themselves; good ideas come from the left sometimes.
- Joe Liberman was booed last weekend during the California democratic party convention. You might not want to admit it but that says alot.
- I was talking about both voters and politicians. For a party to be effective the extreme elements must be controlled, the reps do the dems do not (at least at this moment in time)
- All those dems I mentioned were recently in the news, I did not memorize their names but if you want to find out search google.
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Why the left is failing
by jelly inmoderate
i define a moderate as someone that occasionally disagrees with their party of affiliation and will (and have) crossed party lines to vote.
in short, someone that does not always vote for one party, will criticize their party for errors and occasionally agree with the other side.
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I agree exactly with what you said Dakota. I don't think the Dems realize how many 'moderates' like myself they are alienating. If the get much stupider they might cease to exist as a viable party.
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Why the left is failing
by jelly inmoderate
i define a moderate as someone that occasionally disagrees with their party of affiliation and will (and have) crossed party lines to vote.
in short, someone that does not always vote for one party, will criticize their party for errors and occasionally agree with the other side.
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Moderate
I define a moderate as someone that occasionally disagrees with their party of affiliation and will (and have) crossed party lines to vote. In short, someone that does not always vote for one party, will criticize their party for errors and occasionally agree with the other side. And by that definition I consider myself a moderate, just so you know my personl bias.
The reason the Democratic Party failed so miserably in the last election and will probably in the next is multifaceted.
- First, they are offering nothing except criticism. Its fine to criticize Bush’s tax cut plan, I have issues with it myself. What have the Democrats offered to stimulate the economy? NOTHING!! We are in the middle of a two-year recession and the Democrats don’t even have an economic stimulus plan. Unforgivable. Name the issue Dems have no ideas just criticism.
- Education - nothing except more money (not the best solution)
- War on Terror - Splintered from hawks to appeasers
- Economy - no plan (this will kill them)
- Second, they are being seen as obstructionist for no reason. Case in point is the Latino judge that they are filibustering. They are asking him question that no judge before has been asked, impartial treatment like that will not be forgotten by the electorate.
- Third, both parties have extreme elements. The Democrats are not controlling their extreme elements they are instead being controlled by them. Too many extremely left Democrats are anti-military, blame America, and blame Jews types that are getting to much airtime creating an image for the entire party that will be a death sentence in the next election.
- The crazy Dem from Washington the talked about the wonderful things Osama did for Arabs.
- The crazy Dem from the midwest that compared Alquada to American reveloutionary fighters
- The crazy Dem from the east coast that blamed the Jews
- Al Gores switch from a Hawk to a dove, completly contradicting himself
- Clinton's comments
- Carter's comments
Personally I dont see this as a good thing, I think the Dems are doing permanant damage to themselves
Terry - First, they are offering nothing except criticism. Its fine to criticize Bush’s tax cut plan, I have issues with it myself. What have the Democrats offered to stimulate the economy? NOTHING!! We are in the middle of a two-year recession and the Democrats don’t even have an economic stimulus plan. Unforgivable. Name the issue Dems have no ideas just criticism.