LostGeneration
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Pina Colada Song (Escape)
by Mad Sweeney inrecall this song from the early 80s?.
anyone else ever wonder whether you might know someone here at jwn in the real world and not know you know them?
like you might one day soon sneak off to your very first 'apostate' meetup and run into someone else from your kh or that you otherwise know in real life and find out they're one of your jwn buddies, too?.
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Elder uses Congregation Bible Study as an opportunity to ban the movie Avatar
by easyreader1970 inlast night, during the congregation bible study, the conductor (overseer?
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he said that he googled the (original) meaning of the word avatar and it was of hindu religious origin.
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LostGeneration
Those kind of elders are the ones that inadvertently help individual R&F members "wake up"
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7 Times 2520 Years - Nut Jobs Everywhere
by LostGeneration inthe wt isnt alone...i didn't realize how many nut jobs use this math to forward their prophetic agendas.
dates start all over the place and end up in around our time, give or take a few hundred years... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1c1ggls_enus360us363&q=7+times+2520+years&start=10&sa=n.
the wt doesn't even make page one on google with their 2520 theory.
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LostGeneration
What is incredible is that probably 99% of JW's think CT Russell was some sort of number genius and came up with 606-1914 607-1914 with Gods help and he alone figured out the start of Armageddon invisible and unprovable return of Christ.
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Does Anyone Know when the Memorial is this year?
by SeekingSanity inanyone know when the memorial is this year?.
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ssanity.
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LostGeneration
Seeking, why would you partake at a JW event? There are plenty of other places that follow the reasoning you put forth from John 6.
Just curious....its highly doubtful they will count you.
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The BITE method of mind control: "I" is for "Information control"
by JimmyPage inii.
information control1.
use of deception.
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LostGeneration
The one area that in time, and by in time I mean decades if not centuries will bring down JW, Mormons, any large scale high control group. Small ones will always be around.
This one is an amazing description:
5. Extensive use of cult generated information and propaganda
a. Newsletters, magazines, journals, audio tapes, videotapes, etc.
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The BITE model of mind control: "T" is for "Thought control"
by JimmyPage iniii.
thought control1.
need to internalize the group's doctrine as "truth".
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LostGeneration
4a) Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking
denial- JW deny 1975, the real 1914 teaching, and most dont even know about 1925
rationalization- We are just "keeping on the watch" Where else will you go?
justification - Imperfect men, a perfect org.
wishful thinking - How many times have you heard a JW say they "wish Armageddon would get here" of course cant really blame them as this is all that gets drummed into their head, the imminence of it.
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Deleted Elders?
by Farkel ini knew about elders being "deleted" and have commented what a strange and pejorative term that is, but it wasn't until "wtwizard" and "designs" commented on another thread about it that it actually hit home for me.. one cannot step down as an elder with any dignity!
elder's can't quit, with the word "quit" being as in "he quit his job.
" elder's can't resign as in "he resigned as chairman of the board for xyz corp.".
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LostGeneration
Yeah pretty lame indeed. Even if you step down for whatever reason, they cannot say 'so and so has stepped down' I dont know if they still say "deleted" I thought it had just changed to generic "so and so is no longer an elder/MS" Maybe someone else can confirm.
The only two real options are to move halls, which depending on where you live might mean actually moving your residence, or get out in front of it by dropping it the ear of the biggest gossip in the hall that your are "stepping down for family reasons" Then maybe you get to keep 10% of your dignity.
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7 Times 2520 Years - Nut Jobs Everywhere
by LostGeneration inthe wt isnt alone...i didn't realize how many nut jobs use this math to forward their prophetic agendas.
dates start all over the place and end up in around our time, give or take a few hundred years... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1c1ggls_enus360us363&q=7+times+2520+years&start=10&sa=n.
the wt doesn't even make page one on google with their 2520 theory.
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LostGeneration
The WT isnt alone...I didn't realize how many nut jobs use this math to forward their prophetic agendas. Dates start all over the place and end up in around our time, give or take a few hundred years..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS360US363&q=7+times+2520+years&start=10&sa=N
The WT doesn't even make page one on google with their 2520 theory. Have to go to page two to find them...Of course they lie right off the bat with this quote:
DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?
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1914 can be proved wrong now, using the same logic and reasoning, they missed a KEY POINT!
by EndofMysteries ini'm not saying i even agree with the current reasoning behind the 1914 date, but you can't argue that with jw's, but in my latest research and personal study, i ran into the kryptonite for the 1914 date.
right out of "bible topics for discussion" is "chronology" in which it states 1914 ce ends gentile times.
line of kingom rulers interuppted 607 bce ac 17:24, 25 7:48.
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LostGeneration
Here is an article I found the other day about the whole lunar vs solar calculation, I didnt know they tried to explain it before:
*** w51 6/15 p. 383 Questions From Readers ***
? In establishing the length of the seven times of the Gentiles, a time or year of 360 days is used, to give 2,520 days, which become 2,520 years when Ezekiel 4:6 is applied. Yet when we figure from 607 B.C. down to A.D. 1914, the 2,520 years are solar years of 365 1/4 days each, and not lunar years of 360 days each. Is this proper?—N. N., New Zealand.
The Bible records ignore the solar year of 365 1/4 days as far as measuring natural time and prophetic time. The moon was used for fixing the months, and then the spring growing season for determining the beginning of the year in relation to the moon, making necessary 7 times every 19 years the addition of an intercalary month or Ve-Adar month, a thirteenth month. So since the length of the Jewish year was not stabilized to 365 days plus a leap year of 366 days, prophecy fixed a system of measurement of its time periods at 360 days for a year or time, calculating 30 full days to a month instead of the actual 29 1/2 days to a lunation. Genesis 7:11, 24; 8:3, 4 shows Noah calculated 30 days roughly to a month. Further confirmation of this unit as a prophetic norm of time is given us at Revelation 11:2, 3, where 42 months are run parallel with 1,260 days, making a year of 12 months equal 360 days. Note also that when Revelation 12:6, 14 parallels 3 1/2 years or times with 1,260 days it takes each time or symbolic year as equal to 360 days, and not 365 1/4 days by saying that the 3 1/2 times equal 1,278 and a fraction days. In 3 1/2 years or times there would be at least one and possibly two intercalary months, as explained by The Watchtower, March 15, 1948, pages 91, 92; yet Revelation ignored such intercalary months in giving the days of the 3 1/2 times. So we figure according to God’s Biblical way and are on firm foundation in saying that the symbolic seven times equal 2,520 years. And these 2,520 years should be counted as solar years, because the Jewish lunar years of 360 days, over long periods of time, kept pace with the solar years by means of the intercalary months added at set intervals, thereby always maintaining the necessary harmony between the year’s beginning and the seasons.
That this method of calculating is correctly used to bring us to A.D. 1914 from 607 B.C. is confirmed for us by the physical facts that have become manifest from that year 1914 on, in fulfillment of Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, Luke 21, and other prophecies concerning Christ’s second presence, in the time of the end.
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Did you loathe going in field service, if so why?
by HappyGuy ini always felt like i was not a "spiritual" person because i loathed going in field service.
i'm not even sure why i loathed it.
i am very outgoing and can talk to anyone, anytime, about anything.
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LostGeneration
What about when 15 JW's invade a coffee shop on Saturday morning? All kinds of weird looks from the help and the customers wonder what the heck all these people are doing showing up in their Sunday best. That will make you feel out of place real quick.