Posts by LostGeneration

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Why Christmas Is Important

by metatron in

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every year, i take some time to express my admiration and respect for christmas.. yes, christmas, folks.. i don't give a rat's a$$ when jesus was or wasn't born.

i don't care how many gift giving orgies the romans had.

i don't care about "pagan" customs derived from religions that are long dead, anyway.

metatron- I always enjoy reading your posts..this is a good one at the right time for me personally. I admit I've had a negative attitude toward Christmas even after my exit almost two years ago. Much of it is probably because I quickly moved from JW to agnostic, and there just isn't any meaning for me. It just doesn't feel right, but I know its because of the cult indoctrination that I've experienced from birth. Hopefully next year I can make a little headway...

The Witness venom directed at Christmas serves the Watchtower's purpose of breaking family and social bonds so that people can be dominated and manipulated by distant, cold-hearted cult leaders. It's that simple

I loved this thought. So true and so sad. The way the b0rg slices and dices families apart was something I never fully understood while in, even though I had experienced first hand.

The busy, busy, busy of WT victims insures they very few will stop and take time for their worldly relatives. Sadly, in their mind they are just collateral damage in the ever-delayed day of Armageddon

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does today's daily text fly in the face of disfellowshipping and shunning?

by therevealer in

*** es10 p. 126 december ***.

friday, december 24. happy are the peaceable, since they will be called "sons of god."-matt.

5:9.. if we are the kind of people whom jesus had in mind, we are peaceable and do not render injury for injury to anyone.

LostGeneration

The Golden Rule flies in the face of shunning.

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Another Bad Witness - Elder School on Christmas Day?

by LostGeneration in

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had a brief conversation with by jw father a few days ago, unfortunately still an uber witness and as a cboe he has nothing else in his life.. he brought out that he was getting ready for the elders school.

not sure if he was bragging or wanted sympathy for having to go.

lol.. i didn't press him on the details, though i wanted to ask if they would be covering all 7 chapters in the new manual on how to df people.

LostGeneration

LWT and UC - I wasn't even thinking of it from the elder perspective, maybe because my Dad didnt seem too put off by it. He is retired though so I guess messing up the three day weekend doesn't matter as much to him. I can see how working elders though have to be pretty ticked off over it.

So I guess the arrogance of the WT pisses of the elders as saving money is more important than people's time. And the ignorance of the WT will come through as "worldly" people are put off seeing the upcoming cult fest.

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Another Bad Witness - Elder School on Christmas Day?

by LostGeneration in

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friends

had a brief conversation with by jw father a few days ago, unfortunately still an uber witness and as a cboe he has nothing else in his life.. he brought out that he was getting ready for the elders school.

not sure if he was bragging or wanted sympathy for having to go.

lol.. i didn't press him on the details, though i wanted to ask if they would be covering all 7 chapters in the new manual on how to df people.

LostGeneration

1440001- Ya lol...but the cheap suits probably give them away. A gay Christmas party would be the fashion event of the year.

Misery-Hope your not one of the lucky ones. The idea of it just smacks of both ignorance and arrogance, I just can't figure out which one it really is.

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Another Bad Witness - Elder School on Christmas Day?

by LostGeneration in

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friends

had a brief conversation with by jw father a few days ago, unfortunately still an uber witness and as a cboe he has nothing else in his life.. he brought out that he was getting ready for the elders school.

not sure if he was bragging or wanted sympathy for having to go.

lol.. i didn't press him on the details, though i wanted to ask if they would be covering all 7 chapters in the new manual on how to df people.

LostGeneration

Had a brief conversation with by JW father a few days ago, unfortunately still an uber witness and as a CBOE he has nothing else in his life.

He brought out that he was getting ready for the Elders school. Not sure if he was bragging or wanted sympathy for having to go. lol.

I didn't press him on the details, though I wanted to ask if they would be covering all 7 chapters in the new manual on how to DF people. I guess I'm not ready to reveal how much of an apostate I am to him, as I know he would shun me for all time if I gave it to him with both barrels.

But after thinking about him going to elders school on Christmas, it got me thinking how bad this religion shoots itself in the foot. No doubt the hotels are renting out conference rooms at rock bottom prices because nobody else in the whole wide world is going to rent conference rooms ON CHRISTMAS DAY.

So picture this Saturday morning, a few hundred Elders showing up at 9AM Christmas morning. How is this going to look to the hotel staff? How is this going to look to the people staying in the hotel that come down to eat breakfast? Hundreds of men leaving their wives, children, and grand children behind on Christmas to come together for an all-day study of cult rules and regulations?

How Christian.

Now I know why people always looked at me like a weirdo when I was in

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John E. Barr

by sobrino1 in

http://jwtalk.net/2010/12/memorial-service-for-brother-john-e-jack-barr/.

brother john e. (jack) barr of the governing body finished his earthly course on saturday morning, december 4, 2010, at 97 years of age.

brother barr had a rich spiritual heritage, and he certainly leaves behind an outstanding name.

LostGeneration

LOL...got my comment approved there...see if you can find it!

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Attention Born in Lurkers

by stuckinamovement in

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do you feel that something has changed within god's organization?

have you noticed that in the past several years there has been a more authoritarian spirit displayed in the publications and from the platform?

i am in the beginning stages of a fade away and wanted to express my thoughts.

LostGeneration

Everyone is worn out, when it's supposed to be refreshing. Not so anymore. Something is seriously wrong but I can't put my finger on it.

I'll try. I think it mainly has to do with the passage of time. You have a huge segment who were brought in during the 75 craze. Everyone who hitched their wagon to the WT train (and stayed after 75) is now reaching retirement age. Privately, they have to be screaming in their head "How is this possible! I'm going to die soon! I'm supposed to be in paradise, not dragging my butt to FS and meetings and assemblies and hall cleaning and {insert any other WT activity} year after year after year."

Add to that the majority now have a fractured family. By that most have kids, or even grandkids that realize the WT is shoveling a big pile of you know what and they are out living their lives like normal people. That means they either have to shun them whether it be officially or because they have faded.

Your family is supposed to be the one thing you always have..NO MATTER WHAT....and the WT takes that away too.

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45 JW Rules/Teachings that "go beyond" writings of the Bible

by oompa in

(1 corinthians 4:6) .

.that in our case you may learn the [rule]: do not go beyond the things that are written,.

.. 45 jw rules/teaching that "go beyond the things that are written" in the bible.

LostGeneration

bttt

For lurkers and newbies- a good resource for seeing how far away JWs are from the bible

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Any reason to Add new GB Members?

by LostGeneration in

if you were on the gb, and you wanted to push your own personal agendas and doctrines, wouldn't you want to resist adding any new members.. when there were 10 members, basically each member has 10% control.. now that there are 7 members, each has basically 14% of the vote.. adding more members dilutes your power.

and if you truly believe the "overlapping" doctrine, there isn't really a valid reason to add anyone else, if the overlapping is applied to gb 1.0 and 2.0 only.. if another one dies, then basically you only need 4 votes to top the other two votes, that is pretty small power center, only four men.. will be interesting to see if they wait a while to add anyone else.. .

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LostGeneration

SIAM, i see that on the board all the time, that legal and service control things, but I have a hard time believing that. I mean, look at that document posted about martyring your kids over the blood policy. I had to go take a 30 minute shower after reading that thing...its just so disgusting. And legal is ok with something like that? I mean fine enough if you want to kill off your dedicated cult members with the blood policy, but kids?

I think legal works around the mayhem brought on by the decisions of the GB. Yes they present them with the problems that their decisions may have on the org, but if the GB really wanted to avoid legal issues, they would just stop talking about blood altogether and then in 10 years write a silly "Questions from readers" article making it a personal decision.

Back on topic, i guess the point of what I was thinking was that if there is either a liberal or conservative block of 4 GB members, they could enforce their views by blocking any new appointments and waiting for one of the others to pass away

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Any reason to Add new GB Members?

by LostGeneration in

if you were on the gb, and you wanted to push your own personal agendas and doctrines, wouldn't you want to resist adding any new members.. when there were 10 members, basically each member has 10% control.. now that there are 7 members, each has basically 14% of the vote.. adding more members dilutes your power.

and if you truly believe the "overlapping" doctrine, there isn't really a valid reason to add anyone else, if the overlapping is applied to gb 1.0 and 2.0 only.. if another one dies, then basically you only need 4 votes to top the other two votes, that is pretty small power center, only four men.. will be interesting to see if they wait a while to add anyone else.. .

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LostGeneration

If you were on the GB, and you wanted to push your own personal agendas and doctrines, wouldn't you want to resist adding any new members.

When there were 10 members, basically each member has 10% control.

Now that there are 7 members, each has basically 14% of the vote.

Adding more members dilutes your power. And if you truly believe the "overlapping" doctrine, there isn't really a valid reason to add anyone else, if the overlapping is applied to GB 1.0 and 2.0 only.

If another one dies, then basically you only need 4 votes to top the other two votes, that is pretty small power center, only four men.

Will be interesting to see if they wait a while to add anyone else.