march 15, 2010 watchtower, p. 27, par.
16 ("one flock, one shepherd"):.
"paul also helps us to understand that those with an earthly hope do not partake of the memorial emblems.
At first, it was yearly. (read the article in w06 4/15 p. 17, Melito of Sardis—Defender of Bible Truths?).
Did all of the first century christians partake of the Lord's Evening Meal?
Well, if I try to answer it, I should say "obviously" . I don't know. Who cares!
march 15, 2010 watchtower, p. 27, par.
16 ("one flock, one shepherd"):.
"paul also helps us to understand that those with an earthly hope do not partake of the memorial emblems.
@DSSYNERGY:
No, Jesus didn't arrived in 1914, (or whatever year that marks the end of gentile-times), but he will arrive.
In 1914 his invisible presence (or parousia) began.
Wobble mentioned that.
Anyway, point 2 is still interesting...
march 15, 2010 watchtower, p. 27, par.
16 ("one flock, one shepherd"):.
"paul also helps us to understand that those with an earthly hope do not partake of the memorial emblems.
w82 5/1 p. 22, article How Should John’s Gospel Affect You? says:
"Where would that everlasting life be enjoyed? For the relatively small number who form the “little flock,” Jesus answers: “In the house of my Father there are many abodes. Otherwise, I would have told you, because I am going my way to prepare a place for you.” He was obviously (!!!) referring to heavenly abodes.
NOW, COMPARE THIS:
"And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd." (John 10:16)
"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom." (Luke 12:32)
Obviously, there is just one flock. Isn't it? The title of March 15th 2010 article says it clear! And all true Christians are that one flock, or little flock. Jesus said there are two folds, but he never said there are two flocks (please, correct me if I am wrong...)
Yeah, CANTLEAVE, it is really disturbing article and whole issue!
Am I wrong? Probably I am!
can anybody here tell me if it is possible to find the video of the photodrama on-line?
does anybody know where i can download it for free (torrent or something like that...)???
i don't wanna buy it from http://www.photodrama.info/page2.html.
Can anybody here tell me if it is possible to find the video of the PhotoDrama on-line? Does anybody know where I can download it for free (torrent or something like that...)??? I don't wanna buy it from http://www.photodrama.info/Page2.html. And I don't need slides, but videos of PhotoDrama. Motion pictures.
Probably nothing is for free today...
Anyway...
i really think that if the watchtower had an article.
that had the new light that the 144,000 was a symbolic.
number that the majority of jw's would accept this.
Yes, CANTLEAVE. You know that previously we believed that "anointed"="the twelve tribes of Israel" (according to explanation of Re7:4-8). Now, we have to believe this:
"These will survive the great tribulation into Christ’s Millennial Reign. There they will be joined by billions of resurrected ones. All of these will make up the symbolic “twelve tribes of Israel,” who will be judged by Jesus and his 144,000 corulers. ... ... ... This application shows that the term “the twelve tribes of Israel” at Matthew 19:28 refers, not to Jesus’ spirit-begotten underpriests, but to allothers who put faith in Jesus’ sacrifice.
(paragraphs 7 & 8)
So, it seems that many Bible verses now have different application for exmpl: Romans 2:28, Galatians 6:16, 1 Peter 2:9, Revelation 7:4-8...
And the last one is especially interesting, since that verses actually say:
"And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: Out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed; out of the tribe of Reu′ben twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Ash′er twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Naph′ta·li twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Ma·nas′seh twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Sim′e·on twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Le′vi twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Is′sa·char twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Zeb′u·lun twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand sealed."
It doesn't say that whole "symbolic tribes" were sealed, but just some taken out of them.
And here is something very, very interesting:
"Jehovah’s Witnesses have consistently held to the view that literally 144,000 anointed Christians make up spiritual Israel."
(from the "Revelation" book, (C)2006, chap. 19 p. 118 par. 14 )
I know that proper accent is on words "literally 144,000", but try to put an accent on words "anointed Christians". Now, it does not make sense anymore...
i really think that if the watchtower had an article.
that had the new light that the 144,000 was a symbolic.
number that the majority of jw's would accept this.
Onthewayout, this was your 10000th post!! Congratulations!
question :.
why is 'pioneering' a 'privilege' when every jw goes out in ministry anyway.
even those who have lost privileges, or been disciplined, or been reinstated after being disfellowshipped are still expected to go out in the ministry.
I always laugh on Billy's comments. Especially when I see his face in avatar.
i really think that if the watchtower had an article.
that had the new light that the 144,000 was a symbolic.
number that the majority of jw's would accept this.
I think that something different will happen: they will say that not all 1st century Christians were anointed. And it will solve the problem of increasing number of "anointed" partakers. Study the article in WT Mrach 15 2010 "One shepherd one flock" and you'll see they are preparing the way for "new light".
question :.
why is 'pioneering' a 'privilege' when every jw goes out in ministry anyway.
even those who have lost privileges, or been disciplined, or been reinstated after being disfellowshipped are still expected to go out in the ministry.
In all congs where I was pioneers were everything but not "exemplary".
I hate it!
I hate it!
I hate it more and more!!!
The presiding overseer in my former congregation once told me (literally, word-to-word): "WE HAVE ONLY PROBLEMS WITH THEM [pioneers]. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, AND WE CAN SAY NOTHING TO THEM, SINCE CIRCUIT OVERSEER ALWAYS PROTECTS THEM. THEY ARE THE WORST KIND OF PUBLISHERS WE HAVE IN CONGREGATION."
They are always (I hate it!!!) protected, since (we-all-know) COs and DOs have to report how many pioneers did they make in their mandate.
Disgusting!
