Yes, the 144,000 number should be considered figurative as much of the book of Revelation is made up of signs and numbers. The earthly Paradise is really only founded on a couple of scriptures in Revelation and the promise Jesus made to the sinner on the cross. There are some scriptures in the old testament but those really apply to ancient Israel and weren't considered prophecy at all. The more plausible interpretation would be that all Christ followers are heaven bound.
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Why does Jehovah choose certain people to rule with him in heaven?
by iWant2Learn inin other words, what good works have the 144000 done to be secured a place in heaven?
i am told they have already been chosen.
does that mean that jehovah also knows our future?
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What will happen if someone partake the wine and bread at memorial? Should we all do that?
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Unless they were truly anointed, just touching the emblems could cause instant death.
LOL, I immediately thought of the scene from Indiana Jones
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear At The 4-9-2017 WT Study (PURPOSE)(FEBRUARY 2017)
by blondie inblondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 9, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (purpose).
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/gods-purpose-will-be-fulfilled/.
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
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As is evident in creation, Jehovah lovingly set boundaries. He made both natural laws and moral laws to ensure that everything functions harmoniously.
It is only "evident" if you have not studied biology or astronomy to see that things don't always work that way. Things appear orderly to us because we only live for a short time. In reality, life on Earth and the universe itself has been in a constant state of change since the beginning.
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DPA Cards: Word Has Come Down To Badger People
by JW_Rogue ini know this must be coming down from the top because the elders in my hall who didn't really care before are all concerned about it.
must be on the list of things to do before the co comes back around.
in past years i never really thought about the dpa.
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Is it mandatory to give the BOE a copy (assuming one of them has not signed it)?
Anybody can sign it technically but of course they recommend that it be a witness. After it is signed the Elders are telling people to make three copies: one for their health care agent, one for their doctor, and finally one for the Elder's records. They used to suggest this but most people just ignored it, now they are saying everyone "needs" to get this done.
Excuse my ignorance, but is this DPA just over health matters or does it allow the designee to control other aspects of the incapacitated one's life, like finances?
No, the wording of the document makes it clear that this is for health care/end of life decisions. I believe there are other types of DPAs for financial matters.
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I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping
by Isambard Crater ini'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?
part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.
it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..
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Of course you would have a reaction because you're still emotionally attached to the religion. However, that doesn't mean that Jehovah is involved at all. It could just be that Russia doesn't want the bad press that would come from banning the JWs. Maybe the Judge knows they will be banned and has decided to be nice and let them celebrate one last memorial. None of this proves God's hand is in the matter one way or the other.
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Why more highly educated people are less into conspiracy theories
by Mickey mouse ini've seen discussions here about how jehovah's witnesses seem to be prone to believing conspiracy theories... https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/04/05/why-more-highly-educated-people-are-less-into-conspiracy-theories/.
this last paragraph seems particularly relevant:.
importantly, van prooijen said his findings help make sense of why education can contribute to “a less paranoid society” even when conspiracy theories are not explicitly challenged.
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Maybe educated people are too busy enjoying their careers and making good money to care about such trivialities?
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DPA Cards: Word Has Come Down To Badger People
by JW_Rogue ini know this must be coming down from the top because the elders in my hall who didn't really care before are all concerned about it.
must be on the list of things to do before the co comes back around.
in past years i never really thought about the dpa.
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Oh, really? Maybe it is our CO then, he is a real "company man" if you know what I mean.
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President Trump launches missile strike against Syria
by jwleaks inpesident trump authorized the missile strike because “it is in the vital, national security interest of the united states to prevent and deter the use of deadly chemical weapons.” .
59 tomahawk missiles were launched from two us navy ships.. russia has condemned the action.. https://youtu.be/4svp3yfneyq.
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This would have been far more effective if done with the joint cooperation of other nations, sending the message that the whole world will respond to atrocities.
Th reality is the European countries like for the US to bear the burden of carrying these attacks. The most they would have done was slap some NATO stickers on our missiles.
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DPA Cards: Word Has Come Down To Badger People
by JW_Rogue ini know this must be coming down from the top because the elders in my hall who didn't really care before are all concerned about it.
must be on the list of things to do before the co comes back around.
in past years i never really thought about the dpa.
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I know this must be coming down from the top because the Elders in my hall who didn't really care before are all concerned about it. Must be on the list of things to do before the CO comes back around. In past years I never really thought about the DPA. I was younger and didn't really think there was much chance I would need blood and not be conscious to make my wishes known. Now I'm getting older though and although the chance is still small I'd rather not be putting it in the hands of the Elders. Even it being in the hands of my family would scare me a bit. For now I've been "forgetting" to fill it out and have it signed but was wondering how other people handled this.
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1,000 Paid Russian Trolls Spread Fake News On Hillary Clinton, Senate Intelligence Heads Told
by Village Idiot injust when you thought you've heard it all, out comes some new information on the russian hijacking of our election.
former fbi agent clint watts testified about the full extent of russian interference.
it goes back further than we thought; more extensive and broader in its reach (marco rubio was in their sights); and with greater planning.. even russians who were in charge of this fake news operation have mysteriously died.. watts told the committee to “follow the dead bodies” to learn more, referring to several russians connected to kremlin fake news who have died in the past few months.. what else can we expect from such a murderous thug who expresses such gratitude to his own men?
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The real question we should all be asking, is what was Putin's goal? What is he trying to achieve? Some say disrupting western Democracy. Nato? This is bigger than just our election.
Probably he wants an American president that will ease the sanctions placed against him so he can continue to extend his influence around the globe. Trump may do that if he sees a financial benefit for the USA.