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A question .....

by Landy in

hi guys - new poster here.

i was brought up a jw in the uk and stopped going not long after i was married.

that was 20 years ago so i'm not really up to date with the current doctrinal flip flops or the new youtube obsessed gb.. came across this site while googling the name of a local elder who's just been convicted of possesion of a pc full of unpleasant pics of kids.. so, my question.

JW_Rogue

If someone is doing something they don't want to do and being somewhere they don't want to be then that pretty much fulfils my definition of not being true to yourself as you're trying to keep on the right side of other people by modifying your own behaviour. Your definition may be different.

Landy, I can't speak for any others here but I took no offense to your comment. In the end I do want to find a way to be true myself and true in my relationship with others. However, I fear that this must be embarked on very slowly. I'm a MS currently and if I just stop showing up for meetings it will be very noticeable. If I sit my wife down and have a talk about everything I'm thinking, I could be getting a divorce very soon. Even by fading away I will not really be able to be 100% truthful. I will have to come up with excuses for why I'm not attending, going out in service etc. To really be true to myself I would have to walk in and tell everyone what I really think about everything and likely be DFed. I have thought about that before. Sometimes when I am called upon to give some part (being an MS and all) I will miss the meeting on purpose. The reason being that lately I get very anxious that I will say the wrong thing on stage and give myself away. It is not an easy place to be in, if I need to fake it a little bit to get the best results then I will do it.

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JWs Don't Really Believe This Scripture...

by JW_Rogue in

so the bible says this about god at rom 1:20 for his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and godship, so that they are inexcusable.. however, jws don't really believe this scripture to be true.

whenever something comes out about nature that they don't like they will instead say that it is due to imperfection.

animals are predatory and will kill to survive, well, that must be imperfection.

JW_Rogue

Lets say there was a conversation about how animals kill for food, well, thats because this was gods way of keeping the population in check,and for food, its a perfect creation. no imperfection in the animal world as far as these ones are concerned.

Most JWs don't say this because they believe the ridiculous notion that all animals will be herbivores in the Paradise. Some even say that animals became predatory because humans started hunting them. Which really makes no sense and doesn't account for biological differences between predatory animals and herbivores.

Now i do agree with the logic, the reason for bacteria killing off people? plague, for example, yes imperfection on the human end of things, my mom would say...
'well those people were not careful and clean, and they had weak immune systems, imperfection due to their being born in a sinful state, soon that will all be fixed..' bla bla bla.

But why create such horrid diseases in the first place?

natural disasters these days of course , are blamed on imperfect men and their mismanagement of the earth.. ..he will bring to ruin, those who ruin the earth

I have heard this explanation and it such B.S. natural disasters have been happening since the beginning of time. Many disasters are just a by product of natural processes that keep the Earth going.

she would never entertain the idea that a child could ever have homosexual leanings, they all think that only an adult makes the choice to become gay because they have warped sexual desires.

That's what they used to say but I have heard some new ideas lately in public talks about this. They now say that a person may not be able to change their tendencies and attractions but can control their actions. They have not come right out and said it but they are implying it could be from birth.

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WT predicted the future! They got it right!

by thedepressedsoul in

in this sunday's watchtower they proceeded to put this in the article, "distractions, said the watchtowerof september 15, 1958, will likely increase as this world nears its doom.

how true!

"are they really patting themselves on the back for this statement?

JW_Rogue

Everyone has a negative side, WT dredges up those thoughts and feelings and tries to validate them. Then it offers itself as the only solution. Very clever and manipulative.

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Does Jehovah Intervene - JW Teaching

by thedepressedsoul in

i have been a jw my whole life and i have never been able to get a clear answer on this question.

jw's do not believe that jehovah will intervene if someone is sick, dying or stopping a car crash.

they feel that jehovah is letting "this world" play out before he solves all of these problems.

JW_Rogue

If Jehovah didn't intervene to help you, it's because he's allowing things in this system to play out. If something good does happen to you, though, it's because of Jehovah.
In short, anything good that happens to you is because of your involvement in the cult, and if anything bad happens it's either Satan's system testing you or because you're not having enough involvement in the cult.

This is exactly it! If you got that new job that allowed you to pioneer then that is Jehovah's blessing, even if you personally worked very hard to find it. If you couldn't find it, Satan is testing you and you need to "wait on Jehovah", it's delusional thinking.

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WT predicted the future! They got it right!

by thedepressedsoul in

in this sunday's watchtower they proceeded to put this in the article, "distractions, said the watchtowerof september 15, 1958, will likely increase as this world nears its doom.

how true!

"are they really patting themselves on the back for this statement?

JW_Rogue

Yeah, what a stupid statement, this prediction is so vague and unverifiable. How do they know distractions have actually risen? It's like when they say "world conditions continue to deteriorate," they have no way to actually prove it but many JWs are negative so they feel like it's true.

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Organization, not a concept established by God

by StarTrekAngel in

i was dwelling over a discussion going on at jw-archive.

the old topic of the legitimacy of the gb and the concept of centralized organization.

despite what the wt claims, there are a number of examples in the new testament of actions and decisions taken without direction or even the awareness of the elders in jerusalem.. despite whatever other evidence jw may have about the organizational tendencies of god (namely the creation, universe, whatever else they usually bring up), the concept of an organized nation never originated from god.

JW_Rogue

When asked about where to worship Jesus said it didn't matter only that you worship "in spirit and truth". To me that doesn't sound like he was saying any sort of organization was needed. He also said that "where ever two or more are gathered in my name the spirit will be there as well". The Bible doesn't show any evidence that an organization was needed for salvation

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JWs Don't Really Believe This Scripture...

by JW_Rogue in

so the bible says this about god at rom 1:20 for his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and godship, so that they are inexcusable.. however, jws don't really believe this scripture to be true.

whenever something comes out about nature that they don't like they will instead say that it is due to imperfection.

animals are predatory and will kill to survive, well, that must be imperfection.

JW_Rogue

So the bible says this about God at Rom 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

However, JWs don't really believe this scripture to be true. Whenever something comes out about nature that they don't like they will instead say that it is due to imperfection. Animals are predatory and will kill to survive, well, that must be imperfection. Tiny bacteria and viruses can easily kill thousands of people, well, that must be imperfection. Natural disasters like floods, earthquakes and hurricanes occur regularly, well, that must be imperfection. Homosexuality is a product of genetics, well, that must be imperfection. If we really believe this scripture than we must take it for what it says and not try to make excuses for God. We must look at how things really are and decide what kind of qualities it really shows about God (or if he even exists).

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Following Christ "from a distance."

by New day in

luke 22:54.

"then they arrested him and led him off, and they brought him into the house of the high priest; but peter was following at a distance.

" i am still raging because this verse was used at a recent circuit overseer's visit.

JW_Rogue

I hated that comment at the convention. Perhaps there is a reason that many brothers aren't reaching out. I think the reason is that people see exactly what being an Elder really means. More mundane responsibilities, Elder meetings, conflict with other Elders, taking the lead in Field Service, Judicial Committees. And what do you get for all this? Maybe some praise from some in the hall, you get to be part of the Elder club and some Public Talks. Not really worth it since it is all empty and meaningless. Absolutely everything Elders do is an unnecessary chore. Working day in and day out for an org which accomplishes nothing.

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A question .....

by Landy in

hi guys - new poster here.

i was brought up a jw in the uk and stopped going not long after i was married.

that was 20 years ago so i'm not really up to date with the current doctrinal flip flops or the new youtube obsessed gb.. came across this site while googling the name of a local elder who's just been convicted of possesion of a pc full of unpleasant pics of kids.. so, my question.

JW_Rogue

Oh, yeah super easy to fade away. LOL Not when your entire family is in the org and they all live in the same city. Not when your wife has doubts but tries to beat them back by being more "spiritual." Not when you're a MS and the brothers don't want you to step down because that would mean more mundane work for them.

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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15

by JW_Rogue in

no, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.

that is to be expected from this org.

what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.

JW_Rogue

Another thought that occurred to me during the WT---the article cited, as evidence of God's hand in action, all kinds of legal battles to protect the preaching have been won. But if God is interceding, why send lawyers to fight the cases, why not just send any faithful JW to court armed with prayer, faith, and conviction. Why is there an in house WT legal team? Their method for dealing with legal matters does not particularly indicate any overwhelming faith in Godly intervention.

Their methods belie their motives

Or better yet, how do we then explain the recent loses regarding child abuse? Would that show that maybe God isn't blessing them? Or could it mean it's time to apologize and change policies? Oh, wait, a good JW is not even supposed to know what is going on with those. Never seemed to make it to the JW.org news section.

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