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  "Casting Lots", How Was It Considered Acceptable?

  by JW_Rogue in

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  2. beliefs

  the jws strongly condemn any form of gambling or decision making that invokes luck or divination.

  however, no where in the bible is the "casting of lots" which basically amounted to gambling specifically condemned.

  also, many jws don't realize that jewish priests (levites) were instructed to make decisions using the urim and thummin which many scholars argue was a divination practice similar to casting lots..

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  The JWs strongly condemn any form of gambling or decision making that invokes luck or divination. However, no where in the bible is the "casting of lots" which basically amounted to gambling specifically condemned. Also, many JWs don't realize that Jewish priests (levites) were instructed to make decisions using the Urim and Thummin which many scholars argue was a divination practice similar to casting lots.
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  My Issue: How To Step Down As A MS Without Getting Noticed

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so that other thread was fun but now i need some help with something.

  i was born in the truth most of my family is in.

  although they aren't outwardly super spiritual i doubt any of them would ever leave.

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  LOL Not doing anything for a long time did the trick! Now just gotta worry about my family and wife, gonna take it slow but we're getting there. Step one complete.
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  My Issue: How To Step Down As A MS Without Getting Noticed

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so that other thread was fun but now i need some help with something.

  i was born in the truth most of my family is in.

  although they aren't outwardly super spiritual i doubt any of them would ever leave.

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  UPDATE: I've have been taken down from my position for not taking the lead in the field ministry. Family and friends trying to be encouraging (want me to go out in service more). The plan is to make a small showing to look like I care and then continue to fade as soon as possible. May try to move to a new hall so people aren't in our business all the time.
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  Shunning

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  you guys do know that if you just leave and never go back you wont be disfellowshiped right?

  i know people who have done exactly this.

  you have to commit a sin and you or someone else has to tell a elder.

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  And if you believe the JW aren't right why not just talk to you're family privately about it.

  There is no privacy in this org, your family would probably think they are helping you by telling the Elders. That way you can be "encouraged" to come back to your senses.

  
  
  
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  The Great Watchtower Guilt Trip

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as im sure almost all of us on here are ex-jw, we all know first hand how well the watchtower used the power of guilt to manipulate our thoughts and actions for the entire time we were active witnesses.

  guilty for not going on the ministry enough.. guilty for not trying harder while on the ministry.. guilty for not turning up for hall cleaning that time.. guilty for saying a swearword.. guilty for looking at a porno mag.. guilty for masturbating through my teens (i thought i was the only one who did!).

  guilty for thinking the gb is wrong on a certain thing.. guilty for touching my girlfriend there... even though we've been dating for 3 freakin years and not had sex (thats not natural imo).. guilty for not following along in the watchtower magazine on sunday.. guilty for not studying.. guilty for nodding off during the 8 hour convention.. guilty for my mind wandering during the talks.. guilty for thinking of sister so-and-so.. the list goes on.

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  This needs like eight million likes because it is so true! And the org uses your family and friends to reinforce the guilt on you when you stray into just the slightest amount freedom and normalcy. They know nobody wants to tell their family to eff off, so they play that card against you.
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  The Noblest Hope?

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from this week's wt study:.

  all of us, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep,” hope to see the fulfillment of god’s original purpose and the sanctification of jehovah’s name.

  (john 10:16; matt.

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  " Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Jehovah will execute billions of persons, but only those whom Jehovah deems non-reformable and incorrigibly wicked. Who are these ones? We cannot say, nor can we judge our fellow man."

  DD They could never say that because it would totally contradict their disfellowhipping procedures. I don't think they'll be giving up on those anytime soon. It is the only thing keeping many in the org. The above sentiment would also encourage many to fade from meetings and FS.
  
  
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  The Noblest Hope?

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from this week's wt study:.

  all of us, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep,” hope to see the fulfillment of god’s original purpose and the sanctification of jehovah’s name.

  (john 10:16; matt.

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  From this week's WT study:

  All of us, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep,” hope to see the fulfillment of God’s original purpose and the sanctification of Jehovah’s name. (John 10:16; Matt. 6:9, 10) Such expectations are the most noble any human can cherish.

  Hoping for the death of billions of non-believers, some of which may even be blood relatives is "noble"? All while anxiously awaiting your own reward of perfect unending life? Believing you deserve it because of all the time you put in preaching to the blinded non-believers? Doesn't sound noble at all sounds like a selfish person with delusions of grandeur.
  
  
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  The con is completed - comments from the US branch's LDC chief

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  recently attended a special assembly day.. guest speaker was thomas chicky, a member of the us branch committee and the head of the us ldc (which has replaced the rbcs).. the last talk of the day is scheduled for an hour.

  it was the usual boring mumbo-jumbo.

  he appeared to have blasted through his hour-long outline in just about 45 minutes, so he "treated" us to informal comments on recent developments.. he commented on the new wt complex in fishkill ny.. then he dropped the bomb (well, to anyone with ears and at least 2 functioning synapses).. the following is not a word for quote, but presents the gist of his comments:.

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  LOL JWs will pretend that they never said their was a huge need for Kingdom Halls in the US, the narrative will be rewritten through repetition. The resolution for the KH building will just become a resolution for the "world wide work", in perpetuity.
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  JW Policy Regarding "Marking" From The Nov 2016 WT

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws will deny that local needs parts are often just a way to mark those in the congregation who are deemed to be "bad association" or who don't fall in line with the elders viewpoints.

  now, for the first time in a long time the wt discusses their marking policy and how it works in the nov study wt:.

  recall paul’s counsel regarding disorderly ones in the congregation.

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  JWs will deny that local needs parts are often just a way to mark those in the congregation who are deemed to be "bad association" or who don't fall in line with the Elders viewpoints. Now, for the first time in a long time the WT discusses their marking policy and how it works in the Nov study WT:

  Recall Paul’s counsel regarding disorderly ones in the congregation. Some individuals were ‘not working at all but were meddling with what did not concern them.’ They were evidently admonished by the elders but persisted in disregarding the counsel. How was the congregation to deal with such a person? Paul directed: “Keep this one marked and stop associating with him.” That counsel was balanced with the caution not to treat such a person as an enemy. (2 Thess. 3:11-15) Today, elders may give a warning talk about someone’s persisting in a course that reflects badly on the congregation, such as dating an unbeliever. (1 Cor. 7:39) How do you react when the elders find it necessary to give such a talk? If you are aware of the situation described in the talk, will you take care to avoid socializing with such an individual? Your loving concern and firm stand may move the person to abandon a disorderly course. [1]
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  How does an elder become an elder ?

  by Drwho in

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  i was never a jw , so have millions of questions .

  please, how does an elder become an elder and how much trust does or should a jw put in an elder .?

  simon.

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  Steps to being an Elder:

  1. Go out in service every Saturday morning, work with some Elders let them give you WT advice
  2. Comment at the meetings (helps if it is something that looks like you did extra research)
  3. Volunteer for things no one else wants to do (assembly clean up, magazine counter, picking up literature, accounts)
  4. Buddy up to the circuit overseer