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  "Taking the "Lead" vs. "Leader"

  by sir82 in

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  the wt articles for the past 2 weeks were the typical every-3-months-or-so attempt at justifying the sovereignty of the jw popes, the governing body.. aside from the usual specious reasoning and ridiculous assertions, i noted this:.

  the articles went through great semantic pains to emphasize that, for the jws, jesus is "the leader", while the gb are merely "those taking the lead".. what, exactly, is the difference between a "leader" vs. "one who is taking the lead"?.

  in what other sphere of human experience is such semantic pretzel logic even close to rational?.

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  Simon, don't start writing for the WT, you know how they love their illustrations. LOL
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  "Taking the "Lead" vs. "Leader"

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wt articles for the past 2 weeks were the typical every-3-months-or-so attempt at justifying the sovereignty of the jw popes, the governing body.. aside from the usual specious reasoning and ridiculous assertions, i noted this:.

  the articles went through great semantic pains to emphasize that, for the jws, jesus is "the leader", while the gb are merely "those taking the lead".. what, exactly, is the difference between a "leader" vs. "one who is taking the lead"?.

  in what other sphere of human experience is such semantic pretzel logic even close to rational?.

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  Everyone at my hall seemed to think it was awe inspiring that while we have "those taking the lead" we certainly don't have any leaders among except Jesus. Not sure how that makes any sense. It is literally the same exact word. SMH
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  1919 a Date with Zero Prophetic Meaning

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed that lately the wt has been using the date 1919 more often.

  in an almost matter of fact way, they will state that this is the year jesus finished refining his people and appointed the fds.

  the only problem is there is little proof or even prophetic antitypes given for why this must have been the year.

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  That doesn't even follow their own internal logic.
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  1919 a Date with Zero Prophetic Meaning

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed that lately the wt has been using the date 1919 more often.

  in an almost matter of fact way, they will state that this is the year jesus finished refining his people and appointed the fds.

  the only problem is there is little proof or even prophetic antitypes given for why this must have been the year.

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  I've noticed that lately the WT has been using the date 1919 more often. In an almost matter of fact way, they will state that this is the year Jesus finished refining his people and appointed the FDS. The only problem is there is little proof or even prophetic antitypes given for why this must have been the year. This is the most recent explanation and it makes very little sense:

  w14 11/15 p. 29-30
  

  Revelation 11:3 speaks of two witnesses who would prophesy for 1,260 days. The account then says that the wild beast would “conquer them and kill them.” But after “three and a half days,” these two witnesses would be brought back to life, much to the amazement of all onlookers.—Rev. 11:7, 11.

  
  At the end of their preaching in sackcloth, these anointed ones were symbolically killed when they were thrown into prison for a comparatively shorter period of time, a symbolic three and a half days. In the eyes of the enemies of God’s people, their work had been killed, causing those opponents much joy.—Rev. 11:8-10.

  
  However, true to the words of the prophecy, at the end of the three and a half days, the two witnesses were brought back to life. Not only were these anointed ones released from prison but those who remained faithful received a special appointment from God through their Lord, Jesus Christ. In 1919 they were among those who were appointed to serve as a “faithful and discreet slave” to care for the spiritual needs of God’s people during the last days.—Matt. 24:45-47; Rev. 11:11, 12.

  
  Interestingly, Revelation 11:1, 2 links these events to a time when the spiritual temple would be measured, or evaluated. Malachi chapter 3 mentions a similar inspection of the spiritual temple, followed by a time of cleansing. (Mal. 3:1-4) How long did this inspection and cleansing work take? It extended from 1914 to the early part of 1919. This period of time includes both the 1,260 days (42 months) and the symbolic three and a half days referred to in Revelation chapter 11.

  
  
  

  So, according to this explanation the first 1260 days are literal lasting from he middle part of 1914 to 1918. Even though the same "times, time and a half a time", are in other prophecies explained as being "a day for a year" and thus spanning 1260 years. However, the next three and half days mentioned in the prophecy aren't literal and they aren't an antitype either. They are simply a "comparatively shorter period of time", that so happens to bring the timeline right up to 1919. It is clear that the date 1919 is the what they wanted all along and this explanation is clumsy way to try to make it fit.
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  New "paradise" video preview? "Will you be there?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife (unstuck) just saw a new 2-3 min video in her ex jw facebook feed, depicting a "paradise" scene preview.. it was complete with aerial shots and slow motion montages, with moving music.. scriptures were quoted across the screen, such as rev 21:3,4. i shazamed the music, and it came from another "worldly" album called "world of dreams.future world music" (you should see the song titles from that album!).

  is it an official wt video, or some private persons production?.

  if it is official, they seem to have once again resorted to desperate emotional manipulation tactics..... anyone else know?

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  Looks like an edited travel video
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  Why does Jehovah choose certain people to rule with him in heaven?

  by iWant2Learn in

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  in other words, what good works have the 144000 done to be secured a place in heaven?

  i am told they have already been chosen.

  does that mean that jehovah also knows our future?

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  Yes, the 144,000 number should be considered figurative as much of the book of Revelation is made up of signs and numbers. The earthly Paradise is really only founded on a couple of scriptures in Revelation and the promise Jesus made to the sinner on the cross. There are some scriptures in the old testament but those really apply to ancient Israel and weren't considered prophecy at all. The more plausible interpretation would be that all Christ followers are heaven bound.
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  What will happen if someone partake the wine and bread at memorial? Should we all do that?

  by UBM101 in

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  Unless they were truly anointed, just touching the emblems could cause instant death.

  LOL, I immediately thought of the scene from Indiana Jones

  
  
  
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear At The 4-9-2017 WT Study (PURPOSE)(FEBRUARY 2017)

  by blondie in

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  blondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 9, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (purpose).

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/gods-purpose-will-be-fulfilled/.

  excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

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  As is evident in creation, Jehovah lovingly set boundaries. He made both natural laws and moral laws to ensure that everything functions harmoniously.

  It is only "evident" if you have not studied biology or astronomy to see that things don't always work that way. Things appear orderly to us because we only live for a short time. In reality, life on Earth and the universe itself has been in a constant state of change since the beginning.

  
  
  
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  DPA Cards: Word Has Come Down To Badger People

  by JW_Rogue in

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  i know this must be coming down from the top because the elders in my hall who didn't really care before are all concerned about it.

  must be on the list of things to do before the co comes back around.

  in past years i never really thought about the dpa.

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  Is it mandatory to give the BOE a copy (assuming one of them has not signed it)?

  Anybody can sign it technically but of course they recommend that it be a witness. After it is signed the Elders are telling people to make three copies: one for their health care agent, one for their doctor, and finally one for the Elder's records. They used to suggest this but most people just ignored it, now they are saying everyone "needs" to get this done.

  Excuse my ignorance, but is this DPA just over health matters or does it allow the designee to control other aspects of the incapacitated one's life, like finances?

  No, the wording of the document makes it clear that this is for health care/end of life decisions. I believe there are other types of DPAs for financial matters.
  
  
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  I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping

  by Isambard Crater in

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  i'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?

  part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.

  it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..

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  Of course you would have a reaction because you're still emotionally attached to the religion. However, that doesn't mean that Jehovah is involved at all. It could just be that Russia doesn't want the bad press that would come from banning the JWs. Maybe the Judge knows they will be banned and has decided to be nice and let them celebrate one last memorial. None of this proves God's hand is in the matter one way or the other.