Farmer
Philips
Eudy
Pagan
There are more. Just can't remember them right now.
who were your past circuit overseers?
i'm sure a lot of us actually know mutual people, as the co's relocate all over the country.. here's a few from the southeast us: (let me know if you recognize any names and post yours too please...).
ellwood johnson (new york/philadelphia area for several years also).
Farmer
Philips
Eudy
Pagan
There are more. Just can't remember them right now.
i have to confess: in my last 3 - 5 years in field circus, i basically only went to neighborhoods that were extrememly poor and thus i knew they would be favorable to the message.
i always had my own territory checked out, and even if an elder suggested i join another group in working another territory, i always had plenty of reasons why i needed to work mine.
(bible study or rv that i had to make at 11 am, etc...blah blah blah..lol).
I perfected the art of the phantom doorbell ring. But then sometimes I was paired with a prick who'd say, "I didn't hear anything. Maybe you should knock." I'm thinking to myself, "When I want your opinion, I'LL FREAKING ASK FOR IT!!!!"
Then, of course, I'd knock.
Crap, I hated JWs like that!
i was inspired by a few different things people said.. one dealt with if you pray(ed) regularly with your husband/wife.
a few people described how awkward they felt in doing it.
i felt like that for the longest time!
As it turns out, I hated most of what it took to be a JW, though I didn't realize it at the time. I was born into it and just thought everyone around me enjoyed it, so I wrote it off to something being wrong with me personally.
Especially field service. I loved to wind up in a group where all we did was stop by a laundry mat or two, then we would "outline" the territory (since it was new, you know) to get a feel for the layout. Of course, then it's break time. (the one thing I loved) The longer the better. And I hated when someone in the group was timing us and would pop up like some lame cuckoo clock figure, saying "Our fifteen minutes are up. Time to go." But then it was RV time, and I usually would say that I'd already visited mine, which meant spending the rest of the hour in cruise mode.
Commenting at meetings always had a weird feel to it. Trying to find ways of "putting the information into your own words" sucked because that's all you really did. No original thoughts, just a mindless jumbling of what's in the paragraph, only for the conductor to say, "Great comment!" I hated it.
Prayers at public meetings sucked even worse. If you gave one that was too short, the elders would visit you and "help" you to see what you left out. If you gave one that repeated a phrase too many times, the elders would come a callin'. If you failed to mention the organization or was reluctant to go on about how great the Governing Body was they would "knee-cap" you after the meeting. Seriously, I was literally handed a list of things not to say in a talk or prayer from the platform. I told the brother who delivered the list, "You know I'm not going to follow this, right?" He smiled, and said, "I know."
Which brings up another pet peeve of mine: the brothers, in their public prayers, endlessly gushing about how awe-inspiringly irreplaceable the GB is, but rarely if ever thank God for his "inspired" Word! Whether it's actually inspired or not is another question I've had to consider since then. But I always thought that was an odd quirk of JW prayers.
does anyone else have the same problem.
when i'm alone, i am constantly thinking about all the clever things i'm going to say if visited by the elders, but when i actually get confronted, these things never come to mind, and i keep spitting out drivel like some dumb idiot.
after they leave, i rethink the conversation, and i'm furious over all the oppotunities i've missed to put them in their place.......damn it!!!!!
As far as control is concerned, I never really had a problem looking at the elders as mere mortals. I had the best training in world for that; THE biggest hypocritical prick of a father who was an elder for most of my young life. Looking at his example of how he verbally abused my mom and then would go to the meetings and act the Saint was enough for me to realize elders were nothing special.
Elders are men who eat, sleep, and crap like the rest of us. Simple as that. No worship or fear of them is warranted.
"i know it took a long time, but i finally made the truth my own.".
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I found this thing called life and embraced it.
"i know it took a long time, but i finally made the truth my own.".
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I woke up.
just wondering how much good that does when ex-jws hold up signs at conventions.
do you know of anybody that saw something on a sign and did research and subsequently left the organization?.
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Saw the signs as a kid growing up as a JW. But like many here, my parents demonized them so severely I was afraid to even look and read what the signs said beyond the bold "1975" that populated many of them back then.
I wish they'd been effective in getting masses of JWs to leave, though.
where is this based on?which verse of the bible says that we have to follow certain rules when it comes to sex?
(i know this is a very discussed topic).what have you heard/seen?i am sure no one ever follows that..
The things that religion makes people feel bad about could fill a library of books... Are they that bored in New York or is it a control thing?
was this an invisible god?.
any opinion on who wrote the big ten?.
(i got a sneakin' suspicion it was moses father-in-law).
I've got my suspicions about the Hand of God kind of thing that seemed to happen alot before video cameras came on the scene. Of course, my background inside the WT has made me a skeptic about all things supernatural.
Only if you count the occasional cigar, which I'm in the mood for btw. I'll probably start voting someday, too. But being happily married, when I want to be really naughty I have a wonderful wife for all that and no kids to worry about.