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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

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  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  We should be careful not to transpose thoughts from different parts of the bible. - quin

  So why are you using an obscure reference in Rev to interpret the letter of James?
  
  
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  Sorry I can't muster the enthusiasm to continue a debate about imaginary creatures.
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  Updates and fixes

  by Simon in

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  i thought i'd spend some time cleaning up the forum code and wanted to let you know about some of the recent changes and fixes:.

  the avatars and in-post images used to use a separate imaging service which was convenient but didn't provide much control over caching which meant that each day you visited the site you were probably re-downloading those images again.

  as they are immutable they can be cached for a long time which saves bandwidth and speeds things up.

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  cofty

  Thanks Simon. I only understood some of that! It is looking tidy.

  Top of my wish list would be the ability to link directly to a specific post.
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  From where do people get that conclusion that the tempter was a spirit?

  Matt 25:41
  John 8:44
  John 13:2
  Eph 6:11
  1Tim 3:6
  Heb 2:14
  Jas 4:7
  1Pet 5:8
  1John 3:8-10
  Jude 1:9
  Rev 2:10
  Rev 12:9-12
  Rev 20:2, 7-10

  
  
  
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  Belief in a spirit being referred to as Satan &/or the Devil was very much part of 1st Century Jewish thought.

  Why should the verses not mean exactly what they say?
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  That which can be asserted without evidence.....
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  The Greek word is diabolos which literally means accuser.
  

  In most if not all occurrences of the word in the NT it refers to imaginary god's imaginary nemesis.

  I am struggling to find the word Pharisee in Matthew 4.
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  Jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named Satan the devil.

  All christians believe that. It might be because the bible says so.
  
  
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  There is a new letter to elders about Child Abuse

  by ttdtt in

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  2. scandals

  anyone see that there is a long letter on how to handle child abuse?.

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  cofty

  Anyone considered for the position of Elder, MS, .. should have a background check.

  I wholeheartedly agree with this. Every elder and MS must be obliged to have an enhanced DBS check (not sure about pioneers?) The Watchtower should be required to partner up with a professional body who have the knowledge and experience to make judgements on every DBS result.

  However there are significant issues regarding confidentiality to be negotiated.

  Here is how the system works in football in the UK...

  1 - New volunteers who have access to children go online to the DBS website and select which ID documents they wish to use to confirm their identity.

  2 - An authorised person at the club physically sees those documents and confirms online that they are satisfied the person is who they claim to be.

  3 - The volunteer fills in a request for an enhanced DBS check and the club pays the fee.

  4 - The Disclosure and Barring Service completes a check into all criminal records and other intelligence held regarding that person.

  5 - The detailed results of the check are sent only to the volunteer. This is vital for data protection.

  6 - The child welfare unit at Wembley, staffed by professionals, are simply informed by the DBS that the check was either all-clear or that there are issues.

  7 - If the check is all-clear the club are informed by Wembley that the new volunteer is ok to work with children pending completion of a child welfare course. If there are issues then Wembley writes to the individual giving them a deadline to send the report they received from the DBS to the child welfare unit at Wembley otherwise they will be suspended from that date and the club will be informed that the person should not be allowed to work with children. No reason will be given.

  8 - If the volunteer submits their report to Wembley a member of the professional child welfare unit will make a decision on whether the record affects their suitability to world with children and the club will be informed. A drunk and disorderly years ago will not usually be a problem.

  This system weeds out many unsuitable people every year but it is only a start. A clean DBS certificate only proves somebody has not been caught yet. The most important factor is that the club has suitable practices and procedures, effective mentoring and accountability.

  This latest letter does not even begin to make the organisation's child welfare procedures fit for purpose.

  I wonder how many elders and MSs they would lose immediately if they did the right thing.
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  "Belief" and "Faith" are Simply Emotional Terms for Ideas and Opinions (long post)

  by xjwsrock in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is my current bottom-line conclusion after starting to see through the jw game 3 to 4 years ago and going through my own process of waking up.

  it helps to write it down and put it "out there".

  i hope it helps or resonates with you in your own personal process.. basically if i were given 10 seconds to say something to an active jehovah's witness that i cared about it would be the headline above.

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  cofty

  By the way, God speaks to anyone who can listen to a recording of the bible or read it for themselves. And for the record, every person will definitely have a face to face encounter with God. Everyone. - Perry

  I know the bible as well as anybody. It is an appalling book.

  It would be fascinating to have a face to face with the god of the bible. Perhaps he will tell us why he is such a stupid bastard.

  Apparently he was angry about the Canaanites sacrificing some babies, so his solution was to have Joshua's army murder all the babies.

  What a fucking retard!