yesterday i made a visit to the museum in my city.
the top floor is the planetarium, which has a connecting room with a huge dome ceiling where they project lessons and lectures and you have a 360 view of the night sky etc.. this particular lecture explained about our galaxy, and how it's only one of billions in the universe.
and then we learned about each planet, some of their moons and the sun.
God is said not to be contingent. That's the best argument for God in my view - SBF
That isn't an argument for god's existence. It's just a bit of sophistry.
I like the scripture that says, "God is love". I like to take that literally. God is the goodness, kindness and humanity in people. - LaurenM
So god is nothing but a metaphor for stuff we ought to approve of?
i have often seen many categorise the organisation in different ways.
some say cult, some say high control religion.
cult or high control religion?.
I don't think it's a binary distinction, every religion is on the cult spectrum. JWs are more than halfway along the spectrum towards the damaging end but not as far as other groups.
IMO they are moving in the wrong direction.
a few days ago, aron-ra posted a new video commencing what he promises to be a new series debunking the noachian flood.
he did this despite the fact that every adult should know it didn't happen, and yet many do.. i'd like to remind everyone what the insight book says: .
the genesis account of creation tells how on the second “day” jehovah made an expanse about the earth, and this expanse (called “heaven”) formed a division between the waters below it, that is, the oceans, and the waters above it.
Evolution is much too grand an idea to be confined within a small box labelled fact - SBF
No it isn't.
I was responding to your statement "evoltution seems like a good explanation for the variety of life whereas creationism is a poorer explanation".
Evolution explains that living things from humans to trees descended from a common ancestor over millions of years. This is a simple irrefutable fact at the heart of evolution as contrasted to creationism.
But if we want to be pedantic, ultimately there are no pure facts,
Nobody except you wants to be pedantic. As usual.
a few days ago, aron-ra posted a new video commencing what he promises to be a new series debunking the noachian flood.
he did this despite the fact that every adult should know it didn't happen, and yet many do.. i'd like to remind everyone what the insight book says: .
the genesis account of creation tells how on the second “day” jehovah made an expanse about the earth, and this expanse (called “heaven”) formed a division between the waters below it, that is, the oceans, and the waters above it.
evoltution seems like a good explanation for the variety of life
Evolution is a fact beyond all reasonable doubt. It is as certain as the fact that planet earth is not flat. Oh that's right you won't affirm that the earth is not flat.
creationism is a poorer explanation
Creationism is a superstitious delusion.
a few days ago, aron-ra posted a new video commencing what he promises to be a new series debunking the noachian flood.
he did this despite the fact that every adult should know it didn't happen, and yet many do.. i'd like to remind everyone what the insight book says: .
the genesis account of creation tells how on the second “day” jehovah made an expanse about the earth, and this expanse (called “heaven”) formed a division between the waters below it, that is, the oceans, and the waters above it.
Magnabosco's approach is very interesting. He tries to never debate facts but only investigate the reasons for beliefs - epistemology. I think it has a lot of potential for helping JWs.
doesn't anyone else find the relentless "why are believers so stupid" attitude of Aron Ra a bit tiresome? - SBF
Nope.
There is room for Aaron Ra and Magnabosco.
yesterday i made a visit to the museum in my city.
the top floor is the planetarium, which has a connecting room with a huge dome ceiling where they project lessons and lectures and you have a 360 view of the night sky etc.. this particular lecture explained about our galaxy, and how it's only one of billions in the universe.
and then we learned about each planet, some of their moons and the sun.
IMO there is at this point of human history no way to prove god does not exist nor that he does.
That is only true if we refuse to define "god" using words that actually mean anything. If by "god" we mean a supernatural creative being who is active in human affairs, the god of christians for example, then yes we can prove beyond all reasonable doubt that she does not exist.
its hard to believe that natural selection can account for this
Every living thing evolved from a common ancestor. Natural selection was one of the primary factors. It only hard to believe until you make the effort to study the evidence.
I don't believe in agnostics.
i was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
On the other hand, however, these spiritual properties correspond exactly to the characteristics that distinguish the extremely puzzling and wondrous phenomena in the quantum world
Gibberish.
Whenever you see a theist using the word quantum you can safely ignore what follows.
i was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
i've had several discussion about the basis for faith in an all powerful creator for the universe, and it seems as if the conversation often comes back to, "well, either way, you have to have faith either in a creator or in the process of evolution because you can't observe that either.
" setting aside the issue of creation and evolution (where i currently sit at undecided), i was also troubled by the tendency to treat faith as a static or absolute concept when in reality it is far more complex.. to begin with, faith isn't just about belief, it combines the concepts of belief and trust.
for the purposes of this discussion, i will be focusing primarily on the second attribute.
To begin with, faith isn't just about belief, it combines the concepts of belief and trust. For the purposes of this discussion, I will be focusing primarily on the second attribute.
It is not possible to trust somebody until you first show that they exist.
Since there no evidence that the god of christianity exists believers use faith to fill the gap. Faith is pretending to know things that we have no evidence for.
We can show beyond all reasonable doubt that the god of Jesus is impossible.
"Well, either way, you have to have faith either in a creator or in the process of evolution because you can't observe that either."
Yes people who know absolutely nothing about the evidence for evolution do like to say things like that. Don't fall for it. Evolution is a fact....
hi guys.
a fellow ex jw shared this with me.
haven't time to read them yet (i'm using my phone to go on internet).
Very interesting. Notice that the reason for the disfellowshipping was to be stated to the "company".
Would rightly result in legal action for defamation now.
