Posts by cofty
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18God is not the creator
by venus inevery theory (including darwin’s) primarily proves someone has to design a theory; every product primarily proves someone has to design it.
when neil armstrong and buzz aldrin landed on the moon it primarily proved intelligence of many people had to design that moon-mission.. 1) if every machine primarily proves someone designed it, then a much more complex, wonderful, and living machine with reproductive feature would mean the same: someone with corresponding ability, of higher energy, designed it because effect explains the cause just like harvest explains the sowing (whether you saw sowing or not).
science shows human body is like a complex machinery with many departments/systems (such as respiratory, digestive, cardiovascular/circulatory, renal/urinary, endocrine, nervous, musculoskeletal, integumentary/exocrine, lymphatic/immune, reproductive etc.
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Angry the BBC covered J.W. child abuse on the national TV news at 1pm but not 6pm or 10pm
by Isambard Crater indid the j.w lawyers gag the bbc or something?
not even newsnight covered it.
it was given 3 minutes every hour on the 24-hour bbc news channel though i guess..
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cofty
The WT have no power to gag the BBC. Truth is a valid defense against accusations of libel.
The coverage yesterday was excellent.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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cofty
We still sin, get sick and die - truthseeker
Still playing Devil's Advocate...
The problem is that you are still thinking like a JW about physical and material rewards. The christian gospel was about forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with god in this life.
Has the Watchtower ever given a straight answer to the question: who was the Ransom paid to? - SBF
I think their answer to that is similar to classic theism. Ransom is just one of many metaphors used to describe the "work of Christ" on the cross. It is a mistake to push a metaphor too far. The key point is the price paid to release believers from sin. The NT doesn't answer the question of who it was paid to but if you had to answer it would probably be Divine justice.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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cofty
The message, kerygma, of the early church was not about petting pandas in paradise of even playing harps in heaven but about forgiveness of sins through faith in the "work" of Jesus.
Here is Paul's message in Antioch ...
“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses." - Acts 13
The WT teaches a different gospel of their own invention.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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cofty
Why not just forgive the sin? Even if you must punish Adam and Eve why punish the children that havent been born yet?
Christians don't fixate on Adam in the same way, that is a JW thing.
Adam was more like a representative of humanity. The focus in the gospel is on our personal responsibility for our actual sinful actions. For those we deserve death but the price has been paid on our behalf by Jesus.
The idea of vicarious punishment is crucial - pun intended. It was central to the Jewish sacrificial system where the blood - representing the life - of sheep and goats stood in place of the lives of sinful Hebrews. Jesus became the "Lamb of god that takes away the sin of the world".
The gospel as preached by the early church was about a restoring of relationship between god and the penitent sinner in the present life. It was about spiritual restoration as opposed to the JW gospel which is materialistic in nature.
Disclaimer - I am not defending this idea as either rational or moral.
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BBC: Victims 'told not to report' Jehovah's Witness child abuse
by Lostandfound intoday on bbc news site http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42025255 sorry about typo in heading big story on bbc news in uk.
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cofty
Pressure is growing.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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cofty
The non-JW christian gospel simply ...
A perfectly righteous god cannot overlook sin. Therefore we are alienated from god by our sin.
Sinless Jesus took on himself all of our sins and vicariously received the punishment for them on the cross. "He who did not know sin he made to be sin for us..."
God could then be righteous when he declares sinners to be righteous whose penalty has been paid by Jesus.
Disclaimer - I am not defending this idea as either rational or moral.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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cofty
EverApostate - I'm not defending the gospel I'm explaining it.
Non-believers should make the effort to understand stuff before they criticise it. It's no different from christians attacking evolution without understanding it.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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cofty
If the ransom would be for Adam, he would be a candidate for the resurrection, which wt denies - Waton
Russell taught that Adam was redeemed and would be raised.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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cofty
Don't you think it is worth trying to properly understand the things we rightly condemn?
The WT doctrine of the Ransom bears absolutely no resemblance to the christian gospel. Ask any christian about why Jesus had to die and they will talk about how Jesus suffered the punishment for their sins. This is how the early church explained Jesus' death. Vicarious punishment was also an important part of Russell's doctrine. It was the very thing he fell out with Barbour about.