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  TRUE SCRIPTURE EXISTS, A LIVING ONE

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i find three categories of people according to the way they display their human qualities—(1) more than humans, (2) less than humans and (3) mixed in those qualities in varying degrees.. when i observe how they are all faring with their choices, it tells me what i should do and what i should not do.

  hence my scripture is the mankind and letters are living human beings—present and past.

  though it is not possible to see beyond an individual’s birth, i can see the history of nations (collective individuals) beyond their present generation into their past, through many generations which shows how their past deeds contributed to their present reality.

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  cofty

  Mother Teresa was an odious hag.
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

  by jukief in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  by evolution or by creation?

  by evolution or by creation?

  "the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

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  cofty

  Even if your facts were true in anything more than the very limited sense

  This is exactly why I detest theology. It's like the small print in a dishonest contract.

  If I considered a friend to be a loving husband but then I discovered that he repeatedly beat his wife I have a dilemma. I can insist that beating your wife is compatible with being a loving husband, even though I am incapable of offering an explanation, or I can accept that there is an impossible contradiction and revise my opinion about my erstwhile friend.

  Only one of these options is not obtuse.
  
  
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

  by jukief in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  by evolution or by creation?

  by evolution or by creation?

  "the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

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  cofty

  Both arguments are subjective

  Not so.

  Objective fact 1 = xtians believe that their god is love and that love has to do with actions that promote the well being of others.

  Objective fact 2 = xtians believe that their god was in complete control of the tsunami that randomly killed a quarter of a million men, women and children.

  These two objective facts are irreconcilable.

  Therefore the god of xtian thsim does not exist.

  Nothing subjective about that.
  
  
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

  by jukief in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  by evolution or by creation?

  by evolution or by creation?

  "the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

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  cofty

  I may point out that cofty has often used the argument from incredulity because he cannot believe that a loving God would allow the thousands of deaths caused by the Asian tsunami - Earnest

  It's quite depressing that somebody would so egregiously misunderstand my point after the effort I have made to explain it succinctly. But anyway thanks for the opportunity to clarify yet again.

  Island Man was spot on, thanks for that.

  My argument was NOT incredulity at a god randomly murdering hundreds of thousands of men, women and children. That would be facile.

  My point is that god's actions contradict other fundamental facts about god.

  If I considered a friend to be a loving husband but then I discovered that he repeatedly beat his wife I have a dilemma. I can insist that beating your wife is compatible with being a loving husband, even though I am incapable of offering an explanation, or I can accept that there is an impossible contradiction and revise my opinion about my erstwhile friend.

  THIS is my argument about god. According to xtian theism god is love. Jesus defined and demonstrated the meaning of god's love as actions in the interests of others. Natural evil is contradictory with this claim in the same way that beating your wife is contradictory with being a loving husband.

  This contradiction does not prove that god does not exist but it does specifically disprove the god of xtian theism.

  My argument has nothing at all to do with incredulity unless you mean I am incredulous how so many believers can live with cognitive dissonance.
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  Display on Computer is Upside Down!

  by compound complex in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  greetings, techies:.

  i'm teaching a class right now and my students' desktop computer is showing microsoft word upside down.

  we share documents between our two computers but cannot because of this crazy turn of events.. any ideas?.

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  cofty

  It's a good trick if you want to really annoy somebody!

  Is it just Word that is rotated?
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

  by jukief in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  by evolution or by creation?

  by evolution or by creation?

  "the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

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  This is a disingenuous argument by Behe - no surprise there.

  Of course it is conceivable that any example of suboptimal design can be explained away - I actually think a decent case can be made for the way the eye is wired which is why I have never used it in my evolution series. But that is irrelevant.

  Evolution rests on a mountain of positive evidence from multiple fields of science. It does not depend even slightly on negative evidence or arguments from incredulity.

  On the other hand 'Intelligent Design' has absolutely no evidence to offer and rests entirely on arguments from incredulity.
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  Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

  by Black Man in

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  2. friends

  this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

  i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

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  cofty

  Hi Midge, welcome to the forum.

  Your story seems to imply that ex-JWs reject the scriptures, and perhaps faith in god, because of bad experiences of spiritual abuse. It's a generalisation we have heard too many times to count on this forum from believers of all varieties.

  Personally - and I know from past conversations that this is true of many others - I reject belief in any sort of god, respect for holy books as sources of wisdom, and faith as a means of discovering anything true and/or useful for good reasons that have nothing to do with the cult. I'm sure you didn't intend to be patronising but there you go.

  Having said that I have always enjoyed contributions from Jewish members of the forum. Their perspective often makes a refreshing change from xtian fundamentalism.
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  March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.

  the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.

  the method of spreading rumors is not new.

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  This was written by, and/or approved for publication by a member the governing body. Put it in the first person and marvel at the arrogance ...

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  This is not to say that [we] are perfect and never makes mistakes but Jehovah and Jesus trusts [us] who cares for things to the best of [our] ability and with the best of motives. Shouldn't [you] then trust [us] as well? To appreciate the extent of Jehovah's and Jesus' trust [us], reflect on what he has promised [us]. He has promised [us] immortality and incorruption. Soon, just before Armageddon, [we] will be taken to heaven.
  

  Since 1919 of our common era, [we] has been put in charge of some belongings of Christ. According to Matthew 24:47 when [we] are taken to heaven Jesus will then at that point entrust all his belongings to [us]. Does this not reveal immense trust? Revelation 4:4 describes [us] as co rulers with Christ. Revelation 22:5 says [we] will rule, not only for a thousand years but for ever and ever. What immense trust Jesus shows toward [us]. Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust [us] should [you] not do the same? ...

  So, whom do you trust? You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus and [us]. To a reasonable degree you also trust all of your fellow Brothers and Sisters...something else we need to trust in – God’s Word...

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  Notice the contrast between unquestioning trust in the GB and trust of fellow Brothers and Sisters 'to a reasonable degree'.
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  Funny News From My Old Congragation - Elder Fight!

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't stopped laughing since i heard this.

  a pimo in my last congregation told me that an elder has been removed from his elder position.

  apparently he grabbed another elder by the throat, put him up against a wall in the back room and punched him in on the nose... during an elders meeting on thursday evening after the meeting.. the congregation were running round like headless chickens wondering what to do?

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  cofty

  Priceless!
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  This probably sounds uppity. I'm saying it anyhow

  by stillin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anybody else noticed a pattern that is here among us outcasts?

  there seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the kingdom hall.

  actually, intelligent conversation seems to be looked down upon among the witnesses.. also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the witnesses.

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  cofty

  Just compare this forum with some of the semi-literate ramblings on the pro-JW forum.