This came up recently in a convo with my dyed-in-the-wool JW pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening. I seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were.
Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?
by Black Man 41 Replies latest jw friends
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Simon
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 New International Version (NIV)
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Nice - women and girls had to marry their rapists. But he only has to pay up if he gets caught. If not, I guess she get's stoned to death for being a filthy ho.
Jehovah was the "Al Baghdadi" of his day, spreading Sharia law and misery to anyone unfortunate enough to be born into the "righteous" family. God justice, so wise, so ...
There are lots of instances of the Israelites (the "good guys" in the story) raping and plundering as a nation. That's before you get to all the "righteous" examples of people screwing their own daughters or offering them to be raped.
Sick, sick, stories and shame on anyone who holds it up as any sort of "moral compass".
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cofty
When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. - Deut 21
Let's review..
The god of Jesus commands, commit genocide against other nations but if you see a virgin you want, kidnap her, shave her head, wait a month and then you can commence raping her.
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cofty
“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. ...Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." - Numbers 31
The High Priest got 32 virgins to rape on this occasion.
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ttdtt
Also it was common for Israelites to take captive women as wives and concubines.
Thats pretty much Legalized Rape.
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StarTrekAngel
That is not all cofty... the same paragraph states that she was disposable. If the man was not pleased with her, he could let her go.
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fulltimestudent
And also, 2 Samuel 12:11,12 - YHWH punishes David for committing adultery with Bathsheba,* with this threat:
"Thus says the LORD, 'Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12'Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun.'"…
David the pervert.
So these women, without personal sin, were going to be publically raped so that YHWH could humiliate David. It was famously "fulfilled" in the biblical story, by one of David's sons, a story that tells us much about Israelite attitudes to women and family life under YHWH's rule.
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*'another man's property',see the meanings of baal on this Biblehub page: http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1166.htm )
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Finkelstein
The ancient Hebrew god Yahweh or Jehovah as some people use today isn't a standard of astute just morality, .. ie he murdered innocent woman and children during the flood of Noah.
" The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. "
Emulating the social moral standards of the ancient Hebrews isn't really a good idea by today's standards.
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aboveusonlysky
Judges 5:30 'They must be dividing the spoil they found,A girl, two girls, to every warrior, Spoil of dyed cloth for Sisʹe·ra, spoil of dyed cloth, An embroidered garment, dyed cloth, two embroidered garments For the necks of the plunderers.’
Mucho human rights then.
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fulltimestudent
And for more "Israelite family life" you may examine the story of a 'certain Levite' in Judges 19, travelling with his concubine, who, according to the story doesn't mind being screwed by some other bloke (see verse 2).
They find lodging for a night in Gibeah with an old man and they apparently have a good time eating and drinking. The author of this story had surely read the Sodom story, and thought it a rather good yarn, for he follows almost the same plot. While the Levite and their host (and maybe the Levite's wife) are having this good time, there's a banging on the door, its a mob of the local 'lads' looking for some sex -
"they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.” (vs 22)
The old man refuses, saying,
"No, my friends, don’t be so vile." (vs 23)
The old man then makes a 'two for one' offer the mob can't refuse.
"Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his (the Levite's) concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish." (vs 24)
The old man's daughter apparently refuses (sensible girl) because she doesn't get pushed out the door to the mob, but the text does seem to indicate (its a little confusing as to who grabs and pushes her outside) that the Levite himself grabs and gives her (his wife) to the sex-crazed mob.
"So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go." (vs 25)
But now the author of this biblical story let's his imagination go wild.
The Levite is angry and cuts the abused body of his 'wife' into 12 pieces and sends a piece to each of the 12 tribes (of Israel) and there's a general assembly over the rape and murder, and a decision is made to punish the whole tribe of Benjamin, because some Benjamite males carried out this sex crime. (the story continues in Judges ch 20).
YHWH now gets involved*, He commands that Judah take the lead in the battle with the Benjamites, but apparently the Israelite's do not have enough 'blood lust' because YHWH doesn't give them victory, and thousands of Israelite warriors are slain by the smaller Benjamite army, and again and again, before old YHWH gives them the victory and allows an act of genocide against the Benjamites.
So some smartarse now figures out that nearly all the Benjamite males are dead, and all the other Israelites have sworn not to allow their daughters to marry surviving Benjamites (ch 21:1), so there will soon be only 11 tribes, and they are supposed to have 12.
And then someone notices that the men of Jabesh-gilead had not taken part in the war against the Benjamites, so they decided to commit genocide and wipe them out as a punishment.
But fortuitously, 400 virgin girls are left, so they give them to the surviving Benjamite males, but 400 virgin girls are not enough. (the girls are not given a choice)
SO (and if you want an example of biblically approved rape, here it comes) - Every year there was a "festival of Jehovah," in Shiloh. The still womanless survivors of the Benjamite massacre are given permission to go to the festival, hide in the orchards around the city, and when the daughters of the Israelites that lived in Shiloh, came out to the orchards to sing and dance they could -
"“... watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin. (22) When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, ‘Do us the favor of helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war. You will not be guilty of breaking your oath because you did not give your daughters to them.’” (ch 21)
So if you've stayed the course, and read through this pointless stupid biblical story that demonstrates that the Israelites were total jerks, and YHWH the chief jerk, you should easily be able to realise that the Bible is merely a man-made book, and there's absolutely no point in waiting for YHWH to bring you everlasting life.
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* Think about this! As the Israelite's follow the instructions of the all-wise, all-powerful, merciful YHWH, tens of thousands of ordinary Israelites (fathers, sons etc) die in battle, kids are left orphanned, families left without a breadwinner, the tribe of Benjamin is nearly wiped out and unnumbered more men left wounded, perhaps incapacitated for life.
All this, because the all-powerful, all-knowing YHWH didn't zap a few miscreants when they committed their crime.
