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  Do elders still ask inactive members to write a letter to disassociating yourself from the Congregation?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  do today's elders ever meet with inactive members and pressure them to write a letter disassociating themselves from the congregation stating that, ''you no longer wish to a jehovah witness"?.

  i was baptized at the young age of 16. after turning 18, i stopped attending meetings, field service, and all jehovah's witness activities.

  i wanted to be with my high school friends, go to rock concerts, have a girlfriend, and live like a normal teen.

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  There remains no policy where they try to force someone to da

  No such policy exists in writing. I repeat that in cases of suspected apostasy they will pressure for a DA if they are struggling to justify reasons for DF. Stop being so naive.
  
  
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  Do elders still ask inactive members to write a letter to disassociating yourself from the Congregation?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do today's elders ever meet with inactive members and pressure them to write a letter disassociating themselves from the congregation stating that, ''you no longer wish to a jehovah witness"?.

  i was baptized at the young age of 16. after turning 18, i stopped attending meetings, field service, and all jehovah's witness activities.

  i wanted to be with my high school friends, go to rock concerts, have a girlfriend, and live like a normal teen.

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  cofty

  Steve - No letter is necessary.
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  Do elders still ask inactive members to write a letter to disassociating yourself from the Congregation?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do today's elders ever meet with inactive members and pressure them to write a letter disassociating themselves from the congregation stating that, ''you no longer wish to a jehovah witness"?.

  i was baptized at the young age of 16. after turning 18, i stopped attending meetings, field service, and all jehovah's witness activities.

  i wanted to be with my high school friends, go to rock concerts, have a girlfriend, and live like a normal teen.

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  Regardless of written instructions, when it comes to cases of apostasy, elders may be directed to seek a verbal DA.

  Your arrogance is matched by your naivety.
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  Do elders still ask inactive members to write a letter to disassociating yourself from the Congregation?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do today's elders ever meet with inactive members and pressure them to write a letter disassociating themselves from the congregation stating that, ''you no longer wish to a jehovah witness"?.

  i was baptized at the young age of 16. after turning 18, i stopped attending meetings, field service, and all jehovah's witness activities.

  i wanted to be with my high school friends, go to rock concerts, have a girlfriend, and live like a normal teen.

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  Elders WILL accept a verbal admission that an individual no longer recognises the organisation as god's channel as a statement of dissociation. I am personally aware of one occasion when exactly this was done following instruction from a circuit overseer.

  As usual Morph cannot restrict himself to a civil discussion of facts but has to resort to obnoxious behaviour.
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  Do elders still ask inactive members to write a letter to disassociating yourself from the Congregation?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do today's elders ever meet with inactive members and pressure them to write a letter disassociating themselves from the congregation stating that, ''you no longer wish to a jehovah witness"?.

  i was baptized at the young age of 16. after turning 18, i stopped attending meetings, field service, and all jehovah's witness activities.

  i wanted to be with my high school friends, go to rock concerts, have a girlfriend, and live like a normal teen.

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  Either you are df’d, you take the initiative to write a da letter or you are inactive - Morph

  That isn't true. Blondie is correct. I have personal experience of elders trying to force a dissociation.

  It doesn't have to be in writing. If you fail the loyalty question they will accept that as a DA.
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  Cambridge professor just went full retard ...

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  ever heard of david runciman?.

  he's a professor of politics at the university of cambridge, no less.. he's also a complete retard, for want of a better word.

  according to prof. runciman, six year old children should get the vote, so as to counteract britain's aging population.

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  He is actually serious about this.

  It just goes to show how detached the academic bubble has become from reality. Dawkins is another tragic example.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses... Who/What is the Holy Spirit?

  by JW Answers in

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  the jehovah's witnesses claim that the holy spirit is none other than a force... however when we compare scripture with scripture, we begin to see that the holy spirit is a person.as the jehovah's witnesses dispute this, the question still remains..."who/what is the holy spirit?".

  the holy spirit can :.

  be grieved.

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  And yet nowhere do bible writers bother to say so explicitly.

  JWA I started a thread for you here...
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  Child sexual abuse suspect arrested in T.O.

  by Tahoe in

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  https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/12/13/child-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-t-o/2305199002/ .

  a 69-year-old thousand oaks man facing multiple sexual abuse charges by the ventura county district attorney’s office was arrested last week, authorities said.. steven skyler abbott was arrested dec. 6 after months of investigation into the reported sexual abuse of two thousand oaks girls, according to the ventura county sheriff’s office.

  in november, the ventura county district attorney’s office filed multiple felony sexual abuse charges against abbott, including two counts of continuous sexual abuse, one count of lewd acts upon a child and one count of forcible lewd acts upon a child.. he is also facing multiple felony enhancements and special allegations related to his charges.. the investigation began in september, when the sheriff’s agency received a report of suspected child crimes.. a 16-year-old victim alleged that she was sexually abused by abbott when she was between the ages of 5 and 11, sheriff’s officials said.. sexual assault unit detectives subsequently identified a second, 24-year-old victim who reported that abbott had abused her when she was between the ages of 3 and 7, authorities said.. the sheriff’s agency said the victims and their families had come into contact with abbott through the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses in newbury park.. investigators submitted their findings to prosecutors, who filed felony sexual abuse charges against abbot on nov. 16, officials said.. on nov. 28, an arrest warrant was issued for abbott.. the suspect was eventually arrested at his home on dec. 6 and booked into ventura county jail.

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  Your ridiculous argument is plain for anybody to see. I am not going to dialogue with somebody who behaves the way you do. I have had many confrontations on this forum over the years but your myopic arrogance is in a league of its own.
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  Child sexual abuse suspect arrested in T.O.

  by Tahoe in

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  2. friends

  https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/12/13/child-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-t-o/2305199002/ .

  a 69-year-old thousand oaks man facing multiple sexual abuse charges by the ventura county district attorney’s office was arrested last week, authorities said.. steven skyler abbott was arrested dec. 6 after months of investigation into the reported sexual abuse of two thousand oaks girls, according to the ventura county sheriff’s office.

  in november, the ventura county district attorney’s office filed multiple felony sexual abuse charges against abbott, including two counts of continuous sexual abuse, one count of lewd acts upon a child and one count of forcible lewd acts upon a child.. he is also facing multiple felony enhancements and special allegations related to his charges.. the investigation began in september, when the sheriff’s agency received a report of suspected child crimes.. a 16-year-old victim alleged that she was sexually abused by abbott when she was between the ages of 5 and 11, sheriff’s officials said.. sexual assault unit detectives subsequently identified a second, 24-year-old victim who reported that abbott had abused her when she was between the ages of 3 and 7, authorities said.. the sheriff’s agency said the victims and their families had come into contact with abbott through the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses in newbury park.. investigators submitted their findings to prosecutors, who filed felony sexual abuse charges against abbot on nov. 16, officials said.. on nov. 28, an arrest warrant was issued for abbott.. the suspect was eventually arrested at his home on dec. 6 and booked into ventura county jail.

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  Your scenario starts with an admission. No witnesses are needed or sought. - Morph

  Even you know why your argument fails.

  If there is no admission of fornication — even if there is adamant denial — two JWs can be DFd based only on circumstantial evidence.

  In the case of child sex abuse an unreasonable threshold of evidence is demanded.

  The fact that you would use this topic to try to score points with childish insults says a great deal about you. You make this forum an unpleasant place to participate.
  
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  Child sexual abuse suspect arrested in T.O.

  by Tahoe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/12/13/child-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-t-o/2305199002/ .

  a 69-year-old thousand oaks man facing multiple sexual abuse charges by the ventura county district attorney’s office was arrested last week, authorities said.. steven skyler abbott was arrested dec. 6 after months of investigation into the reported sexual abuse of two thousand oaks girls, according to the ventura county sheriff’s office.

  in november, the ventura county district attorney’s office filed multiple felony sexual abuse charges against abbott, including two counts of continuous sexual abuse, one count of lewd acts upon a child and one count of forcible lewd acts upon a child.. he is also facing multiple felony enhancements and special allegations related to his charges.. the investigation began in september, when the sheriff’s agency received a report of suspected child crimes.. a 16-year-old victim alleged that she was sexually abused by abbott when she was between the ages of 5 and 11, sheriff’s officials said.. sexual assault unit detectives subsequently identified a second, 24-year-old victim who reported that abbott had abused her when she was between the ages of 3 and 7, authorities said.. the sheriff’s agency said the victims and their families had come into contact with abbott through the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses in newbury park.. investigators submitted their findings to prosecutors, who filed felony sexual abuse charges against abbot on nov. 16, officials said.. on nov. 28, an arrest warrant was issued for abbott.. the suspect was eventually arrested at his home on dec. 6 and booked into ventura county jail.

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  My point is, your assertion their rules are not consistent isnt well made - Morph

  I disagree. If two unrelated people admit to staying unchaperoned in the same house overnight, with no exceptional circumstances, they are liable to be disfellowshipped for fornication. Even if they adamantly deny that anything happened there will be an assumption of guilt based on circumstantial evidence.

  The organisation is passionate about punishing even a suspicion of fornication in order to protect its reputation.

  In contrast even the most compelling evidence of child sex abuse will be suppressed and accusers silenced unless their unreasonable standards of proof are met.

  The organisation is passionate about covering up child abuse in order to protect its reputation.

  This has led to a blatant inconsistency.

  The Fall Guy makes a good point; your criticism is misplaced.