I would say the revelation of Jesus replaces the revelation of Jehovah - Joen
That is because you read the bible through the lens of modern evangelical Protestant Christianity.
What exactly did Jesus - the Jewish Messiah - reveal?
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44I.B.S.A. members were witnesses of Jesus Christ.-JW`s members are witnesses of Jehovah.
by smiddy3 inis there a difference ?
i believe so ,and a very big difference.one that harmonises with the new testament in bearing witness to jesus and his kingdom and one that amounts to a new gospel bearing witness to jehovah and his kingdom something that is condemned in the bible.. c.t.russell started the magazine called "zions watchtower and herald of christs presence" and its emphasis was on bearing witness about jesus christ and his kingdom ,of course he got many things wrong ,but he was focused on jesus & his kingdom with what the new testament is all about.. j.f.rutherford in his wisdom decided to change the heading of the watchtower to " the watchtower announcing jehovah`s kingdom" a phrase / term / doctrine that is not in the new testament and takes away the importance and role that jesus christ has in bringing people to god.phil.2:9-11. nowhere in the christian greek scriptures / new testament are followers of jesus christ instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,nowhere there is not one scripture that instructs them to do so.. however in the christian greek scriptures / new testament there are over twenty scriptures whereby christians are told to be witnesses of jesus.. and it was by divine providence that followers of christ were to be called christians .acts 11:26 , not jehovah`s witnesses.. do jw`s even know what it means " by divine providence " ?.
the jw`s use isaiah 43:10-12 an old testament scripture to justify calling themselves jehovah`s witnesses,however that was applied to the israelites back then ,did they adopt the name jehovah`s witnesses ?
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I.B.S.A. members were witnesses of Jesus Christ.-JW`s members are witnesses of Jehovah.
by smiddy3 inis there a difference ?
i believe so ,and a very big difference.one that harmonises with the new testament in bearing witness to jesus and his kingdom and one that amounts to a new gospel bearing witness to jehovah and his kingdom something that is condemned in the bible.. c.t.russell started the magazine called "zions watchtower and herald of christs presence" and its emphasis was on bearing witness about jesus christ and his kingdom ,of course he got many things wrong ,but he was focused on jesus & his kingdom with what the new testament is all about.. j.f.rutherford in his wisdom decided to change the heading of the watchtower to " the watchtower announcing jehovah`s kingdom" a phrase / term / doctrine that is not in the new testament and takes away the importance and role that jesus christ has in bringing people to god.phil.2:9-11. nowhere in the christian greek scriptures / new testament are followers of jesus christ instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,nowhere there is not one scripture that instructs them to do so.. however in the christian greek scriptures / new testament there are over twenty scriptures whereby christians are told to be witnesses of jesus.. and it was by divine providence that followers of christ were to be called christians .acts 11:26 , not jehovah`s witnesses.. do jw`s even know what it means " by divine providence " ?.
the jw`s use isaiah 43:10-12 an old testament scripture to justify calling themselves jehovah`s witnesses,however that was applied to the israelites back then ,did they adopt the name jehovah`s witnesses ?
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Joen - Jesus did not replace Yahweh.
Jehovah was the 'God and Father of Jesus'. Jesus worshipped and obeyed the father and taught his followers to do likewise and to observe the Law God gave through Jesus.
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I.B.S.A. members were witnesses of Jesus Christ.-JW`s members are witnesses of Jehovah.
by smiddy3 inis there a difference ?
i believe so ,and a very big difference.one that harmonises with the new testament in bearing witness to jesus and his kingdom and one that amounts to a new gospel bearing witness to jehovah and his kingdom something that is condemned in the bible.. c.t.russell started the magazine called "zions watchtower and herald of christs presence" and its emphasis was on bearing witness about jesus christ and his kingdom ,of course he got many things wrong ,but he was focused on jesus & his kingdom with what the new testament is all about.. j.f.rutherford in his wisdom decided to change the heading of the watchtower to " the watchtower announcing jehovah`s kingdom" a phrase / term / doctrine that is not in the new testament and takes away the importance and role that jesus christ has in bringing people to god.phil.2:9-11. nowhere in the christian greek scriptures / new testament are followers of jesus christ instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,nowhere there is not one scripture that instructs them to do so.. however in the christian greek scriptures / new testament there are over twenty scriptures whereby christians are told to be witnesses of jesus.. and it was by divine providence that followers of christ were to be called christians .acts 11:26 , not jehovah`s witnesses.. do jw`s even know what it means " by divine providence " ?.
the jw`s use isaiah 43:10-12 an old testament scripture to justify calling themselves jehovah`s witnesses,however that was applied to the israelites back then ,did they adopt the name jehovah`s witnesses ?
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Another interesting angle is the references to early Christians 'calling on' the name of Jesus. Interestingly the old song books contained many songs addressed to Jesus.
From the article Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church...
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7] Early Christians CALLED ON THE NAME of Jesus
When Jesus appeared to Ananias, Ananias said to him that Saul had authority;
'to put in bonds all those calling upon your name.' - Acts 9:14After Saul's conversion those who heard him preach were astonished and said;
'Is this not the man that ravaged those in Jerusalem who call upon this name.' - Acts 9:21Paul described the Christians at Corinth as being among those;
'Who everywhere are calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ their Lord and ours.' - 1Cor.1:2That Christians would speak about calling on the name of Jesus is truly remarkable when we consider the Old Testament background to this expression.
When Jehovah appeared to Abraham in the land of Canaan
'He built an altar there to Jehovah and began to call on the name of Jehovah.' - Gen.12:8When Elijah challenged the prophets of Baal to a showdown he said;
'You must call upon the name of your god and I for my part shall call upon the name of Jehovah.' - 1Kings 18:24When Naaman went to Elisha seeking a cure from leprosy he expected Elisha to;
'Stand and call upon the name of Jehovah his God.' - 2Kings 5:11The Psalmist Asaph implored Jehovah to;
'Preserve us alive that we may call upon your own name.' - Ps.80:18Through the prophet Zephaniah Jehovah promised to;
'Give the peoples a change to a pure language in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah.' - Zeph.3:9Regarding the faithful remnant of the Jews, Jehovah inspired Zechariah to prophesy that he would refine them and;
'It for it's part will call upon my name and I for my part will answer it. I will say, it is my people, and it for its part will say Jehovah is my God.' - Zech.13:9For an Old Testament Jew 'calling on the name' of Jehovah involved aspects of prayer and worship, and yet the early Christians called upon the name of Jesus Christ. It is impossible that a Jehovah's Witness would even think about calling on the name of Jesus in the same sense.
It is undeniable that the organisation has shifted massively in terms of its attitude towards Jesus since Russell's day.
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Do you have dark tinted windows on your vehicle?
by Iamallcool inif you have one, do cops stop you to make sure it is not too dark?
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In In the windscreen and front-side windows are only allowed a very modest tint. Police carry meters to check opacity.
Why would you want to darken windows you need to see through clearly at dusk?
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I.B.S.A. members were witnesses of Jesus Christ.-JW`s members are witnesses of Jehovah.
by smiddy3 inis there a difference ?
i believe so ,and a very big difference.one that harmonises with the new testament in bearing witness to jesus and his kingdom and one that amounts to a new gospel bearing witness to jehovah and his kingdom something that is condemned in the bible.. c.t.russell started the magazine called "zions watchtower and herald of christs presence" and its emphasis was on bearing witness about jesus christ and his kingdom ,of course he got many things wrong ,but he was focused on jesus & his kingdom with what the new testament is all about.. j.f.rutherford in his wisdom decided to change the heading of the watchtower to " the watchtower announcing jehovah`s kingdom" a phrase / term / doctrine that is not in the new testament and takes away the importance and role that jesus christ has in bringing people to god.phil.2:9-11. nowhere in the christian greek scriptures / new testament are followers of jesus christ instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,nowhere there is not one scripture that instructs them to do so.. however in the christian greek scriptures / new testament there are over twenty scriptures whereby christians are told to be witnesses of jesus.. and it was by divine providence that followers of christ were to be called christians .acts 11:26 , not jehovah`s witnesses.. do jw`s even know what it means " by divine providence " ?.
the jw`s use isaiah 43:10-12 an old testament scripture to justify calling themselves jehovah`s witnesses,however that was applied to the israelites back then ,did they adopt the name jehovah`s witnesses ?
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Totally agree Smiddy. There has definitely been a shift away from recognition of Jesus in the history of the Watchtower. Comparing a JWs attitude to Jesus with that of early christians is very revealing.
I wrote an article on this when I first left the cult - Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church
Here is the final paragraph.
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In view of this sample of texts quoted above, it would seem reasonable to say that Jehovah's Witnesses do not speak about Jesus in the same manner as early Christians did. The apostles described themselves as witnesses of Jesus, they called him their only owner and Lord, and the one to whom they belonged. They were baptised in his name, led by his Spirit, rejoiced in his blessing and overflowed with praise for him. All of these statements are incompatible with the beliefs and practice of Jehovah's Witnesses. Even if an individual Witness may feel comfortable with such expressions they could never voice such sentiments in the hearing of others. There can be no doubt that if a Jehovah's Witness were to go back to a meeting of early Christians they would feel profoundly out of place.
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Jordan Peterson - Messiah or Poseur?
by cofty ina jp video came up on my youtube feed last week - he was on a panel in front of a huge audience and some poor disturbed guy ran on stage and started crying and wailing to peterson that he needed his help.
it was agonising to watch.. what was even more disturbing was the comments section.
i do not exaggerate when i say that dozens of people were extolling peterson's wisdom as if jesus had come again.
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I think you are being far too generous to him.
I have never heard anybody use so many words to say so little as Jordan Peterson.
He has emphatically stated to more than one self-described atheist that they actually believe in God but just don't know it or won't admit it. His exchanges with Sam Harris made it clear he has no interest in communicating clearly. He is a master of obfuscation and equivocation.
As I said earlier he has said some useful things about the culture wars but on every other topic there are many other commentators who are far more interesting. My concern is not that I don't personally feel attracted to his style but that he is becoming the centre of a personality cult that will not end well.
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Jordan Peterson - Messiah or Poseur?
by cofty ina jp video came up on my youtube feed last week - he was on a panel in front of a huge audience and some poor disturbed guy ran on stage and started crying and wailing to peterson that he needed his help.
it was agonising to watch.. what was even more disturbing was the comments section.
i do not exaggerate when i say that dozens of people were extolling peterson's wisdom as if jesus had come again.
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cofty
To be fair he chooses to say a great deal about Christianity. He repeatedly raises the subject.He claims that atheists don't exist.
But when he is asked to simply clarify if takes the claims of Christianity literally he obfuscates.
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Jordan Peterson - Messiah or Poseur?
by cofty ina jp video came up on my youtube feed last week - he was on a panel in front of a huge audience and some poor disturbed guy ran on stage and started crying and wailing to peterson that he needed his help.
it was agonising to watch.. what was even more disturbing was the comments section.
i do not exaggerate when i say that dozens of people were extolling peterson's wisdom as if jesus had come again.
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One of my biggest frustrations with JP is his obfuscation every time he is asked a simple question about his Christian beliefs.
Q - 'Do you believe that Jesus walked on water?'
JP - 'Well that would depend on what you mean by 'on' and that's a very deep question. I've been studying the meaning of 'on' for 20 years and to really answer that would take a 600 page book. Walking 'on' anything references an ancient archetype that goes back 3 billion years to the beginning of life on our planet and the relationship between physical beings and the way they move through their environment. I've been giving this a lot of thought recently, in fact I've thought about nothing else day and night for months and I'm not even sure I've began to plumb the depths of what it really means to say that somebody walked 'on' water. So you see it's not something that we can properly address in a forum like this. I mean how much time do we have? And that is before we even begin to think about what it really means to 'walk'. It's a profound subject and I don't think we want to go there right now.'
This is hardly even an exaggeration. For somebody who criticises the postmodernists he sounds more obscure than Derrida every time he is asked to commit to anything.
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Do You Use “ALEXA”?
by minimus ini got the amazon echo dot and it’s pretty good.
do you use it for anything?.
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Social media companies sole source of income is to gather and sell your data.
Alexa listens. Alexa is permanently connected to the internet. Alexa collects data.
Fuck off Google.
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Only One Destiny for All Christians
by cofty inthe following is an extract from an article i wrote when i left the watchtower 25 years ago.
it may be helpful in reasoning with a jw about the anointed/great crowd distinction.. --------------------------------.
to divide people into those with a heavenly hope and those with an earthly one is not a biblical concept.
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The gospel message is NOT about paradise earth or utopia in heaven.
It is about forgiveness and reconciliation with God now in the present life. The materialistic gospel of the watchtower is alien to the gospel.
The NT looks forward to a time when heaven and earth will be one. Paul claimed to be agnostic about the nature of the resurrected body but the heaven/earth dichotomy is not biblical.