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  Dis/UNITED Kingdom?

  by BoogerMan in

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  england, wales, scotland & n.i.

  are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.

  garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.

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  cofty

  You seem incapable of following a simple conversation so I will leave you to shout at the universe.
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  Have you ever known elders who were more into being and elder than really being a believer?

  by phoenixrising in

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  2. beliefs

  i have known many elders who were much more into the idea of being an elder and getting all the old ladies to tell them what wonderful talks they give and the power then really being a believer.

  i had one elder tell me that when he became an elder he was on top dog on top of the heap.

  i knew some who were really all about the religion and following the cult.

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  A good guide is to determine how an elder sees himself in relation to the rest of the congregation.

  Some see themselves as father figures - they patronise and infantalise the congregation and get offended when their 'advice' is not appreciated.

  Some are policemen - they want to rule the lives of the congregation and keep everybody in line. They impose their petty consciences on others.

  A few are celebrities - they love adoration and praise.

  A minority see themselves as a big brother - but not in an Orwellian way. They look out for the congregation by caring about individuals in need of encouragement or practical help. They try to lead by example and encourage others to exercise their own conscience. Elders of this type often end up burned out and disillusioned - as do their long-suffering families.
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  Dis/UNITED Kingdom?

  by BoogerMan in

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  england, wales, scotland & n.i.

  are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.

  garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.

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  cofty

  Boogy - You are the one who ranted about an 'avoidable catastrophe'.

  I don't think it was realistically avoidable. I asked you to suggest how it could have been avoided. So far your only idea is to take 1.49 million people - mostly women on minimum wage - away from their families for months or years.

  The ball is in your court not mine.

  Criticising the government is virtue signalling. Offering viable alternatives is where you earn respect.
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  Dis/UNITED Kingdom?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. social
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  england, wales, scotland & n.i.

  are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.

  garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.

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  cofty

  So your suggestion is that a woman on minimum wage, who has a husband and children, should go into 14 day isolation away from her family before she can start work at the care home.

  How many weeks do you think she should complete before stopping work?

  Who would sign up for such a job that destroys family life? Oil workers get paid a small fortune for working offshore. Who is going to pay similar levels of pay for hundreds of thousands of care workers under your scheme?

  A miracle vaccine eh? Like the 'fu vaccine, which still lets 1000s die?

  So this new arrangement you propose is to be permanent because you demand a 'perfect' vaccine. Meanwhile back in the real world...
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  Dis/UNITED Kingdom?

  by BoogerMan in

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  england, wales, scotland & n.i.

  are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.

  garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.

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  Quarrantine the residents and the staff for starters - Boogy

  So you would confine all care staff - many are on minimum wage - to confinement within the care home for 8 weeks and counting. Pending a vaccine you will have to lock them into the care home for in excess of a year.

  They have families! They have children who depend on them.

  Is this seriously your suggestion? Did you even take 5 minutes to think it through before you started typing?

  Since your idea is clearly unworkable do you have any sensible suggestions?
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  Dis/UNITED Kingdom?

  by BoogerMan in

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  england, wales, scotland & n.i.

  are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.

  garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.

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  Still wondering what your answer is.

  Exactly what would you have done?
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  Dis/UNITED Kingdom?

  by BoogerMan in

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  england, wales, scotland & n.i.

  are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.

  garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.

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  How would you have avoided it Boogy?

  One nursing home I heard about has made all their staff stay onsite for weeks. Good effort but simply impossible for most workers who have families.

  PPE is in international short supply with millions of items required by NHS daily and many products by new manufacturers having to be destroyed for not meeting safety standards.

  A virus LOVES an environment like a care home and many residents of care homes are very fragile with comorbidities. Care home workers are not trained in strict barrier nursing like nurses are and the homes are not set up for that anyway. It's inevitable - as demonstrated all over the world - that there will be huge numbers of deaths in care homes.
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  Dis/UNITED Kingdom?

  by BoogerMan in

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  england, wales, scotland & n.i.

  are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.

  garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.

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  Nursing homes are massively profitable private enterprises. Some owners have been exemplary others have failed.

  Nursing homes are obviously going to be epicentres of infection. It's not clear what exactly ought to have been done.

  Boris' plan for easing restrictions seems sensible. Outside work now, shops open within 3 weeks and restaurants a month after that.
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  Michael Palin: North Korea - Similarities In N.Korean and JW Mentality

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  did anyone catch michael palin's travel documentary in north korea?

  it was a fascinating insight into such a secretive and controlled country.

  totalitarian, suppressed and yet i found a few similarities to jw mentality.. particularly, this segment, where michael asks his handler about the limitations on freedom she has.

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  cofty

  Very apt comparison.

  I have read some history of Cold War era Eastern Europe. The WT definitely fits the pattern of totalitarian regimes.
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  Dis/UNITED Kingdom?

  by BoogerMan in

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  england, wales, scotland & n.i.

  are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.

  garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.

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  devolved powers & laws are one thing, but a national crisis/emergency situation overrides devolved administrations - Booger

  No it doesn't.

  London cannot dictate to the other governments of the UK in matters that are devolved. Do you really think Scotland or NI would stand for their devolution settlements being ripped up without the consent of the majority of the respective populations? That would be the road to breaking up the UK permanently.