It's in some earlier posts years ago. I'm not going to allow you to change the topic.
Even if I had been an atheist my entire life the challenge stands.
Are you familiar with the ad hominem fallacy?
Posts by cofty
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137I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
Hold on a minute...
He let's myriads of people die each day which he could have intervened
Your god did not fail to save thousands of innocent babies in the Asian tsunami: he purposefully murdered them with malice aforethought.
It was not a crime of omission but of commission.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
I have no interest in trying to convince you of the genuineness of my christian conversion. (Typical ad hominem diversion)
You carry on believing that murdering thousands of innocent babies is an act of perfect love if that gives you comfort. Just don't expect anyone to take your beliefs seriously.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
I don't understand your challenge re. Hitler.
He murdered many innocents - as did your god.
What has abortion got to do with god drowning babies. Is your defense of god reduced to something like - at least he isn't as bad as......
Jesus' death has no bearing on the subject.
You are still obfuscating.
God drowned thousands of innocent babies - therefore god is not love. Therefore the god and father of Jesus is a myth.
You have still to tackle the core of the question directly.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
I do know that everyone dies. Those people in Thailand would still have died of something.
Interesting defense for mass murder. - 'Sorry about all the dead babies but hey they would have died eventually'
Are you actually gas-lighting me?
If I don't have all the facts, how can I judge the situation?
Your god murdered thousands of innocent babies.
Murdering innocent babies is bad
Your god is bad
What am I missing?
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
if there is no God then love doesn't exist
On the contrary I know what love is. I know what good is. Only christians who need to justify drowning thousands of babies need to pretend they don't know.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
My point was we don't really know what is good
I do know for an absolute certainty that deliberately murdering thousands of innocent babies is NOT perfectly good and loving.
I know that there are no extenuating circumstances that could possibly make it good and loving.
Therefore your god is not good and loving.
It really is very simple and blindingly obvious.
Jesus told you what love means. So did Paul. Why are you feigning ignorance?
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
If I understand correctly you are saying two things.
1 - Some good came of murdering thousands of innocent babies - we are having this enjoyable conversation for example.
2 - It's a mystery.
Have a guess what I think.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
TonusOH - well said.
Iriddle our posts overlapped. Please go back and read my previous post. I look forward to your thoughtful response.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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cofty
Iriddle - Please let me try to focus the debate.
I am NOT claiming that evil in general proves there is no god.
I am saying that natural evil - specifically the Asian tsunami - proves beyond all sensible debate that the god of Jesus does not exist.
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Your only substantial reply so far has been to assert that god has the absolute right to murder the innocent babies of faithful Christians if he chooses to.
Okay I agree - an all powerful creator has that right. However if he acts that way he is NOT the god of Jesus; the god who is defined as love.
You have to choose.
The Euthyphro Dilemma
Does god do good and loving things because they are good and loving; or are actions good and loving because god chooses them?You have so far chosen the second option. This eradicates objective goodness. It means that murder is good and loving - perfectly loving - if god chooses it.
Therefore everything Jesus came to earth to teach and act out concerning his god and father is a lie. You no longer have any foundation for your understanding of what it means to be good or loving. Love is no longer about putting the needs of others before your own - now it might include murdering innocent infants.
If you are correct then your god is not love in any meaningful sense of the word, he is a capricious tyrant.