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  Unbelief and Salvation

  by lriddle80 in

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  hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

  7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

  8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

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  cofty

  'forfeit love'

  Wow!
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  would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

  were you more happy pimi?

  are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

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  cofty

  Word salad.
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  would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
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  a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

  were you more happy pimi?

  are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

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  cofty

  we will never know the full truth if intelligence was involved or was it all blind chance ... please don’t mistake this view as denial of scientific discoveries or denial of well established facts

  We absolutely do know. It is exactly the same as the 'full truth' that the earth is not flat- EXACTLY the same level of evidence. How are you in any position to comment since you have never read a single book on the subject?

  You ARE totally in denial of some of the best established facts in the history of science.

  It matters for lots of reasons.

  • There was no Adam and Eve
  • Humans were not a special creation
  • We did not fall from perfection

  To name just three.

  You can believe what makes you comfortable but you can't expect to be taken seriously when your worldview is predicated on the denial of simple irrefutable facts. 3.78 million scientific papers!

  Your second post makes no sense at all because you don't understand the connection between design and natural selection. How could you unless you made some effort? I also think you should google 'false dichotomy'.
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  would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

  were you more happy pimi?

  are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

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  cofty

  Okay please tell me about these biologists who believe intelligence was necessarily involved in the evolution of all life from a common ancestor. I gave you 3.8 million papers that say otherwise.

  I am asserting that these 'young scientists' are a figment of your imagination.

  Why are you STILL proposing a false dichotomy between intelligence and 'chance' despite my explaining this countless times. It's as if you have never read any books on natural selection ... oh wait!
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  would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

  were you more happy pimi?

  are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

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  cofty

  The two groups that can’t agree are those that think common ancestry proves intelligence and those that think it proves chance

  Please tell me about all these biologists who conclude that all life descended from a common ancestor over millions of years who reject natural processes as a cause. I'm NOT talking about the origin of life or the origin of the universe.

  Who are these 'many more young scientists' of whom you speak. Where are their thousands of peer-reviewed papers showing that ID is necessary to explain common ancestry? (there are none - not even one)

  Why do you keep repeating the word 'chance'? The elegance of evolution by natural selection is its explanation of how complexity was achieved without the need for 'pure chance'. You cannot successfully criticise something that you have not begun to understand. Again we are ONLY talking about common ancestry - NOT abiogenesis or cosmic origins.

  Please stop changing the subject. My only point here is that every living thing descended from a common ancestor over millions of years through unguided natural processes. Good luck finding any biologist - who doesn't have a fundamentalist religious agenda - who disagrees with this simple fact. It is literally as well established in science as the shape of the planet.

  Here are 3.8 million academic papers discussing the evidence for evolution by natural selection. They are written by scientists of all ages. There is no disagreement between 'old school' and younger biologists. That is a lie that fundamentalists like to tell each other without any evidence.

  Going back to your OP you advocated for 'informed ignorance'. Apart from that being an oxymoron, my point is that in order to maintain that position you have to make a lot of effort and tell yourself endless lies in order to stay in that state.
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  Unbelief and Salvation

  by lriddle80 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

  7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

  8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

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  cofty

  It's the christian version of the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

  It's identical to the way JWs comfort themselves that apostates were never REALLY true believers. It gives comfort and calms fears that just maybe the one who left knew something you ought to think about.

  Yes Heb 6 is perfectly clear that true believers 'who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit' do leave faith.
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  would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

  were you more happy pimi?

  are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

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  cofty

  chemistry, calculus and any other deep subjects can be explained in clear concise ways that won’t have two groups of scientists having different views

  What biologists deny common ancestry - ones that aren't fundamentalist xtians that is?

  There are not two conflicting sides in the scientific question of the common ancestry of all living things, There is science on one side and Bronze Age myths on the other. You can only hold on to the myths by refusing to engage with the science. That isn't agnosticism it's wilful ignorance of the proof.

  The vast majority of theists accept the science and find a way to reconcile it with their faith.

  My reasons for believing the earth is a globe are many

  And the reasons to believe common ancestry are every bit as compelling. You just don't know it because you haven't bothered to read even a single book on the subject and you are shackled by years of Watchtower creationist indoctrination. You are fooling yourself when you claim to be agnostic.
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  would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

  were you more happy pimi?

  are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

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  cofty

  Are you agnostic about whether or not the earth is flat? If not why not?
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  would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

  were you more happy pimi?

  are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

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  2. 
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  cofty

  Ex-B = what are you on about? You are tying yourself in knots to avoid admitting your deception.

  Name one book you have read that presents the scientific evidence for the common ancestry of life. It's a really simple question.

  I have no interest in diversions into geology or origin of the universe or abiogenesis. Please stop changing the topic.

  You can believe in god without hiding behind wilful ignorance of the most basic truths of science.
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  would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

  were you more happy pimi?

  are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

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  2. 
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  cofty

  Okay tell me even one book you have studied on evolutionary biology. Even one. Doesn't have to be complicated one.