i am so ready for the world cup to start!.
who are you pulling for?.
what players are you looking forward to watching?.
I can't wait - since the Scotland team will be lying on the beach this summer I will be following England (can't stand anti-English nonsense - let it go)
The John Terry incident will be history by the time it kicks off. Capello is the man. Anyway every coach knows if the full-back leaves a hole the centre-half has to go and fill it. If key players stay fit England will be hard to beat
sorry for such a mundane question, but there are many things i'm not into.. there is a picture on page 35 of the book, "what does the bible really teach".
don't worry, i'm on top of the feeble rationale.
i guess the book will be good in the recycling.. anyway, in this picture, the girl at the front is holding a book open.
Cantleave -
there is so much talk on the news at the moment about people who workwith children or have access to children on a regular basis having crb clearence , i think this lulls parents into a false sense of security , i once saw a documentry on this subject and the policeman interviewed was saying that parents should not be concerning themselves so much with the registered sex offenders , but the 9 out of 10 offenders who were arrested but there was not enough evidence to secure a conviction so charges were dropped and also sex offenders are usually your family members and "friends" not a stranger on the sex offenders register anyway .
my childs abuser would have had a crb clearence while being a taxi driver at the same time as raping children for 20 years , it just meant he hadnt been caught yet ,not that he was trustwourthy .
holly wells and jessica chapman were murdered by ian huntley in 2002 , he had been reported on numerous occasions for underage sex and sexual assaults on young girls but got away with it every time (i dont think he even made it to court ) leaving him free to get a caretakers job at holly and jessicas school (they were 10 ,when he killed them ) he came across as a very "nice" man when he was interviewed on the news during the search for the girls !
looloo you make a very important point, CRB certificates do not guarantee anything. MTTM is right if a person is working with children or vulnerable adults their employer needs to obtain an enhanced CRB. Even if the certificate says "nothing recorded" any investigations or concerns will be disclosed to the person requesting the check by the chief constable in a separate letter.
Under this system Ian Huntley would have been prevented from taking up his job at the school.
The reason you need a CRB for every job or volunteer position is that any additional information is covered by Data protection Act and cannot be shared with another party. So if I sack a new coach because of what I get from a CRB it is against the law to tell the rugby club down the road if he turns up there next. That's the theory at least; in practice we would share information discreetly.
A new agency is in the process of being set up in the UK which will hold a list of every person excluded from working with children or vulnerable adults and which can be accessed by all organisations.
I am secretary of a junior football club with around 200 members and 25 volunteers. The Football Association has blocked many people from the game as a result of stringent CRB process but its only part of the picture.
We interview new volunteers, take up references, send them on child welfare courses and mentor them. Other clubs get a false sense of security because a coach can wave a clean CRB certificate in their face.
This is the Welfare section of our club website that outlines how we try to keep the children safe. Constant vigilance is the key, not just a desire to tick a few boxes.
Bottom line is exactly as you said, do not trust somebody just because they have a CRB
Another interesting question would be whether all UK elders ought to be getting CRB checks?
it's a shame those of you outside the uk probably can't view the following link:.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00qm86v/qi_xl_series_7_greats/.
jehovah's witness get a prominent mention at the start of a popular comedy quiz show here in the uk, hosted by stephen fry, called qi.
I find Anne Widdecombe to be one of the most unpleasant people in public life. It was hilarious to see Fry and Hitchins demolish her smugness.
Just watched this weeks QI
first, pastor russell had joined adventist bible students in their enthusiam for end times chronologies.. next, russell teamed up with leading adventist thinkers like george storrs and barbour to publish these chronologies and apologies.. finally, russell used his private wealth to cut and paste ideas from all over the religious map into his own peculiar name-brand version of adventism which included pyramidology.. local congregations kept autonomy.
russell would have it no other way.
judge rutherford crept in to wrest control of the watchtower for himself and begin a new agenda which would transform local congregations of bible students into a cult of mind-controlled salesmen serving a religion of business organization.. this is what happened.. rutherford's key strategy succeeded in wresting a personality cult (pastor russell) away from "creature worship" and transforming it into a business concern or organization which could claim and demand loyalty in terms of statistical productivity (preaching and book sales.).
very interesting details thanks
can anyone compile a list of as many as possible past and present co/do's from the uk?
Thanks for the update slimboyfat. Shame about Ray, Cherry had the most piercing laugh I have ever heard , she was quite a character!
can anyone compile a list of as many as possible past and present co/do's from the uk?
Thanks to slimboyfat for pointing me at this old thread - what a great trip down memory lane.
I grew up in Coatbridge when Ray and Cherry Midgley were special pioneers. They lived in a farm cottage adjacent to Charles and Barbara McKenzie. As a kid I used to go and visit and had some happy memories. I remember a party at "Palace Farm" by evening they had made a skiffle band using make-shift instruments and everybody was singing "Where have all the flowers gone" by Peter Paul and Mary and Bob Dylan songs. As far as I remember not a kingdom song was sang all night - changed days!
I did hear Ray turned into a tyrant when he went on the circuit. I never knew he died does anybody know what happened?
Robert Strickland (lazy son of a ....) lived in a flat above an elder's bakers shop in Eyemouth. When Bob and Jean moved on to another circuit they decided to stay in the flat. The elder finally put it on the market to get rid of them and as soon as they moved out he took it back off the market and advertised it for rent!
(another ex-elder gossip )
daniel dennett has accused apologists of double-standards in a column in the washington post.. like all things that are worth saying it made me want to go away and really think it through for a while.
perhaps pat robinson was just being more honest about the real implications of faith?.
one of the striking differences between modern, "organized" religion and tribal or folk religions--religions without seminaries and theologians and official books--is that in tribal religions they have no double standard!
The beginning of the end of my post-JW christian faith was the 2004 Asian tsunami.
No only was I shaken by the needless loss of life, I was equally stunned by the inadequate response of the great and the good among christian teachers and apologists. Both in the media and in my local fellowship the response reminded me of the kind of equivocation that we were all so familiar with in the borg.
Once again religious spokespersons of all shades are mumbling platitudes.
They take refuge in divine mystery, they claim that, in a strange kind of way it was a blessing, they blame the victims, they change the question.
As Dennett said, "There is no solution. Isn't that obvious?"
Since I accepted that in 2004 I am much happier.
hey folks, so i made this video as a response to some of the youtube apostates about my vast apostate army recruitment video.
i'm getting overwhelming comments and messages regarding it and a couple people have called it "the apostate manifesto".
i figured i'd post it here for everyone to check out, i thought you all might enjoy it.
Yes be careful.
I know of at least one poster on another forum who is taking 11/5/17 (or 5/11/17 as we say this side of the pond) deadly seriously and he is not a model of emotional stability
Don't create a monster you can't control
i enjoyed reading these points.
in the second list of "real reasons", it was points #2 and #3 that first struck me, after leaving the jws.. .
why do people abandon the christian faith?.
I left christianity when I realised I was making the same lame excuses for god that I used to make for the "F&DS"
For me there were 3 main steps to losing god -
1. understanding that complexity does not provide evidence of a creator
2. accepting that theodicy is compelling evidence against god
3. admitting that the bible does not hold up to scrutiny
When I finally admitted to myself that the emotions and feelings of having encountered god were just that - subjective feelings, the rest was easy.
