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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

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  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  Why do you worship a god who cares nothing for physical suffering?
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  God has padded us with immortality. Your consciousness, the higher levels of your intellect and will are not destroyed by a tsunami.
  A tsunami can only give you some few minutes of pain and agony but can't damage your immortal soul. But your soul can be subject to an eternal dreadful state. - John_Mann

  Jesus claimed that his god cared passionately about the physical suffering of humans.

  Your defense of god is that he actually doesn't give a fuck about drowning 250,000 men, women and children in an event he could have prevented in a way that would not have impacted on free-will one iota.

  Punkofnice is right. The more theists talk the less theism makes sense. Which was the theme of the OP
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  Forum feature request

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  this one for simon.

  others chime in if you agree.. sometimes i find it hard to track the threads where i have posted and where i have posted last on a particular thread.

  it's very time consuming to go and look for it.

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  cofty

  You have three options...

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  The third of those does what you are looking for.

  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  Are you saying this physical universe is ruled or guided by direct intelligent design?

  No of course not. I am saying the exact opposite. If the god of christianity existed the world would look very different.

  I think the physical universe is ruled by impersonal natural laws. Only these natural laws were designed metaphysically outside the physical universe.

  According to christians these natural laws were designed by god.

  And these natural laws probably are necessary for the best world to harbor free-willed agents.

  A world where tectonic plates didn't get stuck for hundreds of years and then kill hundreds of thousands as they release would be a better one. Free-will has nothing to do with it. If you affirm that god acts in the world you have no way out of this dilemma. If you don't affirm that god acts in the world then you are not a christian.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  How do you know that???

  Because I understand what causes a tsunami.

  Designing a world with all the benefits of plate tectonics but without the earthquakes would be child's-play.
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  But natural evil is a by-product of natural laws. And natural laws probably are a necessity in a world suited to free-willed agents

  No it isn't.

  Any intelligent deity could design a world without tsunamis.

  IMHO natural evil is a necessity in a world of free-willed agents.

  Natural evil and free-will are unconnected. That is why natural evil is an irrefutable objection to christian theism, and the sort of evil that results from the things free-willed agents to others isn't.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  Hell is not a punishment. Is a choice.

  That is sick and twisted. It is exactly parallel to the lie that JWs tell about ex-JWs when they blame them for splitting up families. It is like the abusive husband who beats his wife while asking "why did you make me do this?"
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  EU court upholds an employer's right to ban religious symbols

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  first i should say that i do not like islam for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the moslem treatment of women.

  still, the free exercise of anyone's peaceful observance of their religion, including moslems, trumps my personal preferences.

  also, living in america, i evidently enjoy a greater degree of religious liberty than i see in recent years in continental europe, something that continues to baffle me.. today the european court of justice, the same group that has stood up for the rights of jws, has decreed that it is ok for employers to ban the wearing of religious symbols among employees.

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  What ever happened to "liberté, égalité, fraternité"?

  Nothing at all.

  Everybody in Europe is free to believe and worship as they wish. Employers are free to ask employees to keep it out of the workplace.

  America panders to religion too much. It is only going to get worse under Trump.
  
  
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  EU court upholds an employer's right to ban religious symbols

  by careful in

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  first i should say that i do not like islam for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the moslem treatment of women.

  still, the free exercise of anyone's peaceful observance of their religion, including moslems, trumps my personal preferences.

  also, living in america, i evidently enjoy a greater degree of religious liberty than i see in recent years in continental europe, something that continues to baffle me.. today the european court of justice, the same group that has stood up for the rights of jws, has decreed that it is ok for employers to ban the wearing of religious symbols among employees.

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  So should a Jewish receptionist have to take off his kippah?

  Yes an employer should be allowed to decline to employ somebody who insists on wearing any religious dress or jewelry.

  many religious people feel their religious beliefs carry over to all aspects of their lives, including their places of employment.

  Belief is not an issue.

  What if the employer bans religious symbols such as the hijab, but allows someone to wear a jewelry with a cross?

  That would be discrimination.

  What if the employer is adept of a certain religion and wishes to have its religious symbol at the workplace. Can an employee of a different religion feel offended ...

  Yes

  ...and demand that the symbol is withdrawn?

  No
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  EU court upholds an employer's right to ban religious symbols

  by careful in

  1. social
  2. current

  first i should say that i do not like islam for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the moslem treatment of women.

  still, the free exercise of anyone's peaceful observance of their religion, including moslems, trumps my personal preferences.

  also, living in america, i evidently enjoy a greater degree of religious liberty than i see in recent years in continental europe, something that continues to baffle me.. today the european court of justice, the same group that has stood up for the rights of jws, has decreed that it is ok for employers to ban the wearing of religious symbols among employees.

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  I think an employer should have the right to insist on an entirely secular environment at work.

  One of the ladies involved in the case was a receptionist. You would not allow an employee who deals face-to-face with your customers to wear a political badge in case it alienated some of your customers. The same should apply to religion.