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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

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  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  Still off on irrelevant philosophical tangents. The OP is about 9 simple observations. Nothing you have said since begins to address them.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  My OP does not require a formal argument in reply. It just invites an informal conversation. I offer 9 examples of observable things that don't easily reconcile the with the claims of Christians.

  You have hidden from inconvenient truths behind tons of incoherent and untestable assertions.

  The one paltry attempt you did make to directly address the problem was truly pathetic.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  Are you demanding scientific evidence for a metaphysical discussion?

  No I'm asking for reasonable responses to a few common sense observations.
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  Interpret John 1:1 by John 1:1.

  by towerwatchman in

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  interpret john 1:1 by john 1:1. .

  the greek language has the definite article which has approximately thirty variations, is translated into english as “the”, and points to an identifiable personality, someone we have prior knowledge of.

  but the greek language has no indefinite article corresponding to the english “a”, or “an”.

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  cofty

  I admit in the Bible the Trinity it's not directly present

  It is flatly contradicted.
  
  
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  Interpret John 1:1 by John 1:1.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
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  interpret john 1:1 by john 1:1. .

  the greek language has the definite article which has approximately thirty variations, is translated into english as “the”, and points to an identifiable personality, someone we have prior knowledge of.

  but the greek language has no indefinite article corresponding to the english “a”, or “an”.

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  cofty

  why bring a totally new and extremely complex concept

  Early christians were a Jewish sect. They adored Jesus. Monotheism in theory had to be reconciled with their practice. The solution was a ridiculous formulation of self-contradictory words.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  18 pages of evidence-free dogma.
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  Interpret John 1:1 by John 1:1.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  interpret john 1:1 by john 1:1. .

  the greek language has the definite article which has approximately thirty variations, is translated into english as “the”, and points to an identifiable personality, someone we have prior knowledge of.

  but the greek language has no indefinite article corresponding to the english “a”, or “an”.

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  cofty

  One God, three Persons - J_M

  Wouldn't it have been useful if Jesus had said something similar?
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  Child Abuse Telememo

  by Bangalore in

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  cofty

  Very helpful. Thank you Barbara.
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  Interpret John 1:1 by John 1:1.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  interpret john 1:1 by john 1:1. .

  the greek language has the definite article which has approximately thirty variations, is translated into english as “the”, and points to an identifiable personality, someone we have prior knowledge of.

  but the greek language has no indefinite article corresponding to the english “a”, or “an”.

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  cofty

  I disagree.

  The author of John - not John by the way - could have stated very simply the Jesus was The God (Ho Theos) if that was what he intended.

  The WT are wrong about almost everything but not regarding John 1:1.

  The translation that captures the anarthrous predicate noun best is perhaps Moffatt who has it as "The Word was divine".

  The gospels reveal an evolution of the divinity of Jesus. Practical adoration of Jesus by a monotheistic group eventually required a theological explanation. The trinity is a self-contradictory, post-biblical piece of gobbledygook.

  I challenge anybody to state it in their own words - and illustrate it - without using specialist language without contradicting themselves or committing heresy.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  John_Mann

  Your attempts to reply to the nine observations in my OP are the best possible demonstration of the failure of theism to talk sense.

  I will respond in detail later.