I explained my points in very simple and concrete terms.
I still do not understand your question and you have made no attempt to clarify it.
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92Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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cofty
ISIS, lone wolves... guns, vehicles, knives... it's inevitably men. Why?
Testosterone.
It provides the trigger for all sorts of strengths and aptitudes that have shaped the world for the good but it doesn't come without risks.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
Fisherman I have opted out of the conversation for the moment as I still have not the slightest clue what you mean when you assert that morality does not exist. It makes absolutely no sense at all.
You can argue about the source or morals or whether or not objective morality is possible or whether it is simply a social construct or whether it is a just a subjective preference. But to ask whether it exists is just absurd.
PLEASE can you try to explain your point clearly and succinctly?
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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cofty
Allowing citizens to own military style automatic weapons is indefensible.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
People have a right to bodily autonomy - Saename
Serious question - Says who?
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
Fisherman - Your question is a lot like asking "does health exist?"
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
If morality exists, I want to see proof.
You haven't read or understood anything so far.
Fisherman - Do you agree that a society that promoted rape, random murder and rapacious theft would not perfectly promote human well being?
Imagine the worse possible world that maximised the physical, mental and emotional suffering of the greatest number of conscious creatures. This would represent the deepest valley on the "Moral Landscape".
Would you prefer to live in that sort of society or one where people mostly agree to cooperate to promote the well being of each other?
The way we worry about how our actions tend towards peaks or troughs in the landscape is what we call morality.
There is no perfect or absolute standard of morality; that is a delusion. We struggle imperfectly to navigate the moral landscape as best we can. It is possible to be completely wrong about what constitutes a higher peak on the landscape. Some people have convinced themselves that female genital mutilation represents a moral good. That is not because morality is relative. It is because they are wrong. In the same way JWs are wrong when they allow a child or a new mother to die for want of a transfusion. These actions lead only to deeper valleys in the landscape. Our moral decisions need, as far as possible, to be based on facts and evidence about real effects on real people, not on ideological dogma.
Religion has not said anything original, useful or even interesting about morality for a very long time.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
Whatever. If you ever decide to talk in complete sentences and actually engage in a conversation be sure to let me know. It is obvious you don't spend five seconds considering what has been written.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
Who says that killing, taking property that is not yours and sexual conduct is moral or not moral? - Fisherman
Would a society that promotes rape, murder and theft as moral virtues be more or less successful at promoting the wellbeing of its members?
We label things that tend to increase wellbeing as moral or good and things that detract from wellbeing as immoral or bad.
The consequences of the actions are very real but the language we use is a semantic convention. Morality is not arbitrary, neither is it simply a social construct.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
Morality is a social construct. - Redvip200
Could a society prosper if it valued theft, rape and murder as moral virtues? - Me
That is an adjudication - Fisherman
Eh?