Posts by cofty

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

This is a disingenuous argument by Behe - no surprise there.

Of course it is conceivable that any example of suboptimal design can be explained away - I actually think a decent case can be made for the way the eye is wired which is why I have never used it in my evolution series. But that is irrelevant.

Evolution rests on a mountain of positive evidence from multiple fields of science. It does not depend even slightly on negative evidence or arguments from incredulity.

On the other hand 'Intelligent Design' has absolutely no evidence to offer and rests entirely on arguments from incredulity.

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Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

by Black Man in

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friends

this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

cofty

Hi Midge, welcome to the forum.

Your story seems to imply that ex-JWs reject the scriptures, and perhaps faith in god, because of bad experiences of spiritual abuse. It's a generalisation we have heard too many times to count on this forum from believers of all varieties.

Personally - and I know from past conversations that this is true of many others - I reject belief in any sort of god, respect for holy books as sources of wisdom, and faith as a means of discovering anything true and/or useful for good reasons that have nothing to do with the cult. I'm sure you didn't intend to be patronising but there you go.

Having said that I have always enjoyed contributions from Jewish members of the forum. Their perspective often makes a refreshing change from xtian fundamentalism.

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March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors

by Listener in

this months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.

the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.

the method of spreading rumors is not new.

cofty

This was written by, and/or approved for publication by a member the governing body. Put it in the first person and marvel at the arrogance ...

This is not to say that [we] are perfect and never makes mistakes but Jehovah and Jesus trusts [us] who cares for things to the best of [our] ability and with the best of motives. Shouldn't [you] then trust [us] as well? To appreciate the extent of Jehovah's and Jesus' trust [us], reflect on what he has promised [us]. He has promised [us] immortality and incorruption. Soon, just before Armageddon, [we] will be taken to heaven.

Since 1919 of our common era, [we] has been put in charge of some belongings of Christ. According to Matthew 24:47 when [we] are taken to heaven Jesus will then at that point entrust all his belongings to [us]. Does this not reveal immense trust? Revelation 4:4 describes [us] as co rulers with Christ. Revelation 22:5 says [we] will rule, not only for a thousand years but for ever and ever. What immense trust Jesus shows toward [us]. Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust [us] should [you] not do the same? ...

So, whom do you trust? You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus and [us]. To a reasonable degree you also trust all of your fellow Brothers and Sisters...something else we need to trust in – God’s Word...

Notice the contrast between unquestioning trust in the GB and trust of fellow Brothers and Sisters 'to a reasonable degree'.

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Funny News From My Old Congragation - Elder Fight!

by pale.emperor in

i haven't stopped laughing since i heard this.

a pimo in my last congregation told me that an elder has been removed from his elder position.

apparently he grabbed another elder by the throat, put him up against a wall in the back room and punched him in on the nose... during an elders meeting on thursday evening after the meeting.. the congregation were running round like headless chickens wondering what to do?

cofty

Priceless!

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This probably sounds uppity. I'm saying it anyhow

by stillin in

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friends

has anybody else noticed a pattern that is here among us outcasts?

there seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the kingdom hall.

actually, intelligent conversation seems to be looked down upon among the witnesses.. also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the witnesses.

cofty

Just compare this forum with some of the semi-literate ramblings on the pro-JW forum.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

Quote-mine.

Lewontin - a key player in the 'Marxist Radical Science' movement of the 60s - was describing the challenge that faced a naturalistic explanation for the diversity and adaptation of life. Parker's selective quote makes it sound as if Lewontin was conceding that these challenges remain unconquered.

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