a careful reader of the bible can see depiction of two gods in the bible—one that of a loving father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.. 1) god of love (as seen in genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in his image” (which means he gave the best he can to his children, the potential to become like him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (mathew 19:28; revelation 21:1-5).
thus god’s action defines him as “the servant of humanity.” (luke 22:26, 27) this is in contrast to the second god (as seen in genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with his adversary.. 2) god of impartiality (deut 10:17; mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone.
this is in contrast to the second god who commands his worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs.
Even among physicists, one group believe universe is expanding,
No every physicist knows that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate. Stop making things up.
Atheists can see enough proof for their belief and theists can also see enough proof for their belief.
An atheist is somebody who is unconvinced by the grandiose claims of theists. No proof is required.
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
So cofty are you prepared to conceed that the scriptures stating that Jesus has a “God” do not necessarily disprove him from also being fully God - Hooby
No I'm not at all. Your 'explanation' rests on a logical contradiction that compounds the problem. I'm putting that to one side for a moment to investigate the implications of the resurrected, exalted Jesus' status as fully human.
My questions about the physical humanity of Jesus were NOT rhetorical.
While on earth Jesus breathed, ate, drank and defecated. So if Jesus is still fully human, does God the Son shit?
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
Okay so Jesus is still fully human in his exalted, resurrected state.
So he breathes, eats, drinks, perspires and defecates. His hair grows and therefore he needs to shave and groom.
And yet he is God Almighty in every respect equal to his God and Father.
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
Christ is both God and man
Does he go to the toilet in heaven? Does he breathe air and eat food?
These are not flippant questions. If he is fully human for all eternity then these things follow inevitably. If Jesus still needs to shit then he is hardly equal to his God and Father.
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
the Father is never referred to as the “God” of Jesus except in prophetic verses referring to the coming of Christ as a man and as our high priest - Hooby
This is factually incorrect as I demonstrated with multiple quotes above.
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
Well said Hoober! - Vander
Not really. All of the references I listed apart from one refer to Jesus after he was exalted to heaven. Hooby's answer implies that Jesus remains subject to the father who is his God.
It is a contradiction to claim that a human can be equal to their god. Therefore the resurrected Jesus his God and Father are not equal.
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
You are too nice Vanderhoven. Steel has form.
Inconvenient facts prompt aggression from people who are heavily invested in certain theological positions.
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
The books of Luke, Mark and Matthew are called the synoptic gossips and don't really deal with larger issue of who Jesus was. - Steel
Mark, Matthew and Luke are not called the synoptic gossips, they are called the synoptic gospels.
Who Jesus was is precisely what they deal with. Have you never bothered to read them?
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
FFS cofy you sound exactly like a watchtower Muppet. Quoting things out of context, circular reasoning etc etc, not understanding old testament references. Go find your nearest hall and get back in the Borg - Steel
So you have nothing intelligent to say about Christology then Steel?
So far I have made the following points. Which of them is out of context or amounts to 'circular reasoning exactly? (or did throwing in the name of a random fallacy just make you feel clever?)
1 - The bible does not present a coherent Christology. Paul, the author of Mark, the authors of Matthew and Luke and the author of John have different perspectives about Jesus.
2 - The trinity is a post-biblical development.
3 - The bible nowhere contains a straightforward statement of the trinity doctrine and the Johannine Comma is not supported by the oldest and most reliable manuscripts.
4 - The bible does contain many verses that identify Jesus as God but it also contains many other verses that do the opposite. The many references the God and Father of Jesus are one such example.
5 - It is impossible to state the trinity in non-esoteric terms without contradicting yourself of committing a heresy.
So that's my position Steel and JWA. Have you anything thoughtful to say in reply?
