Your ridiculous argument is plain for anybody to see. I am not going to dialogue with somebody who behaves the way you do. I have had many confrontations on this forum over the years but your myopic arrogance is in a league of its own.
Posts by cofty
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38Child sexual abuse suspect arrested in T.O.
by Tahoe inhttps://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/12/13/child-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-t-o/2305199002/ .
a 69-year-old thousand oaks man facing multiple sexual abuse charges by the ventura county district attorney’s office was arrested last week, authorities said.. steven skyler abbott was arrested dec. 6 after months of investigation into the reported sexual abuse of two thousand oaks girls, according to the ventura county sheriff’s office.
in november, the ventura county district attorney’s office filed multiple felony sexual abuse charges against abbott, including two counts of continuous sexual abuse, one count of lewd acts upon a child and one count of forcible lewd acts upon a child.. he is also facing multiple felony enhancements and special allegations related to his charges.. the investigation began in september, when the sheriff’s agency received a report of suspected child crimes.. a 16-year-old victim alleged that she was sexually abused by abbott when she was between the ages of 5 and 11, sheriff’s officials said.. sexual assault unit detectives subsequently identified a second, 24-year-old victim who reported that abbott had abused her when she was between the ages of 3 and 7, authorities said.. the sheriff’s agency said the victims and their families had come into contact with abbott through the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses in newbury park.. investigators submitted their findings to prosecutors, who filed felony sexual abuse charges against abbot on nov. 16, officials said.. on nov. 28, an arrest warrant was issued for abbott.. the suspect was eventually arrested at his home on dec. 6 and booked into ventura county jail.
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Child sexual abuse suspect arrested in T.O.
by Tahoe inhttps://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/12/13/child-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-t-o/2305199002/ .
a 69-year-old thousand oaks man facing multiple sexual abuse charges by the ventura county district attorney’s office was arrested last week, authorities said.. steven skyler abbott was arrested dec. 6 after months of investigation into the reported sexual abuse of two thousand oaks girls, according to the ventura county sheriff’s office.
in november, the ventura county district attorney’s office filed multiple felony sexual abuse charges against abbott, including two counts of continuous sexual abuse, one count of lewd acts upon a child and one count of forcible lewd acts upon a child.. he is also facing multiple felony enhancements and special allegations related to his charges.. the investigation began in september, when the sheriff’s agency received a report of suspected child crimes.. a 16-year-old victim alleged that she was sexually abused by abbott when she was between the ages of 5 and 11, sheriff’s officials said.. sexual assault unit detectives subsequently identified a second, 24-year-old victim who reported that abbott had abused her when she was between the ages of 3 and 7, authorities said.. the sheriff’s agency said the victims and their families had come into contact with abbott through the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses in newbury park.. investigators submitted their findings to prosecutors, who filed felony sexual abuse charges against abbot on nov. 16, officials said.. on nov. 28, an arrest warrant was issued for abbott.. the suspect was eventually arrested at his home on dec. 6 and booked into ventura county jail.
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cofty
Your scenario starts with an admission. No witnesses are needed or sought. - Morph
Even you know why your argument fails.
If there is no admission of fornication — even if there is adamant denial — two JWs can be DFd based only on circumstantial evidence.
In the case of child sex abuse an unreasonable threshold of evidence is demanded.
The fact that you would use this topic to try to score points with childish insults says a great deal about you. You make this forum an unpleasant place to participate.
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Child sexual abuse suspect arrested in T.O.
by Tahoe inhttps://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/12/13/child-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-t-o/2305199002/ .
a 69-year-old thousand oaks man facing multiple sexual abuse charges by the ventura county district attorney’s office was arrested last week, authorities said.. steven skyler abbott was arrested dec. 6 after months of investigation into the reported sexual abuse of two thousand oaks girls, according to the ventura county sheriff’s office.
in november, the ventura county district attorney’s office filed multiple felony sexual abuse charges against abbott, including two counts of continuous sexual abuse, one count of lewd acts upon a child and one count of forcible lewd acts upon a child.. he is also facing multiple felony enhancements and special allegations related to his charges.. the investigation began in september, when the sheriff’s agency received a report of suspected child crimes.. a 16-year-old victim alleged that she was sexually abused by abbott when she was between the ages of 5 and 11, sheriff’s officials said.. sexual assault unit detectives subsequently identified a second, 24-year-old victim who reported that abbott had abused her when she was between the ages of 3 and 7, authorities said.. the sheriff’s agency said the victims and their families had come into contact with abbott through the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses in newbury park.. investigators submitted their findings to prosecutors, who filed felony sexual abuse charges against abbot on nov. 16, officials said.. on nov. 28, an arrest warrant was issued for abbott.. the suspect was eventually arrested at his home on dec. 6 and booked into ventura county jail.
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cofty
My point is, your assertion their rules are not consistent isnt well made - Morph
I disagree. If two unrelated people admit to staying unchaperoned in the same house overnight, with no exceptional circumstances, they are liable to be disfellowshipped for fornication. Even if they adamantly deny that anything happened there will be an assumption of guilt based on circumstantial evidence.
The organisation is passionate about punishing even a suspicion of fornication in order to protect its reputation.
In contrast even the most compelling evidence of child sex abuse will be suppressed and accusers silenced unless their unreasonable standards of proof are met.
The organisation is passionate about covering up child abuse in order to protect its reputation.
This has led to a blatant inconsistency.
The Fall Guy makes a good point; your criticism is misplaced.
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Charles Darwin appreciation thread
by unsure incharles darwin was a gift to humanity.. he was a brave and brilliant man who revolutionized our understanding of life on earth.. since leaving the cult of jehovah's witnesses, he has become one of my personal heroes.. thank you charles darwin..
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cofty
I too admire Darwin. I took this picture of grave of Darwin's daughter Annie in Malvern couple of years ago. It was Annie’s death that finally ended his ability to believe in god. He was unable to bring himself to attend the funeral. He brought her here in the hope water treatment might save her.
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Too Many Categories That Most People Fall Into ... L G B T Q C G D ... I Get Confused
by RubaDub init seems like we are all getting pigeon-holed into a category that may or may not be applicable to us.
personally, i am a "d" but i am sure there are a few (though statistically insignificant) who would otherwise fall into an "o" or other category.. it just seems like society needs to label us in the l g b t q c g d communities.. rub a dub.
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cofty
The never-ending merry-go-round of politically correct speech.
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Douglas Murray in conversation with Jordan Peterson
by LoveUniHateExams ini gotta say, i wasn't particularly impressed with peterson in his debates with sam harris - way too much waffling about 'the spirit of the logos' xd.
but here is a nice, interesting discussion with douglas murray.. i think there's mutual respect between the two men.
during the debate with harris in london, peterson reached across and adjusted murray's mic.
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cofty
He has been an outspoken opponent of identity politics in elite colleges.
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Jesus Christ: Invented by the Romans to subvert the Messianic impulse in Judaism into Pacifism?
by TerryWalstrom inof course, there are many crackpot theories about all sorts of things.
we hear about them,look into them and laugh.however, once in a great while, somebody presents a cogent and feasible thesis backed up by scholarship and history.watch this video presentation and present your rebuttal (or agreement) for discussion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uqg8w7ezuq&t=268s.
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cofty
The simplest explanation is that the stories are loosely based on an actual 1st century Rabbi. Gospel writers like Matthew spun his biography to show he was the promised Messiah so we have lots of OT parallels written after the fact.
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Jesus Christ: Invented by the Romans to subvert the Messianic impulse in Judaism into Pacifism?
by TerryWalstrom inof course, there are many crackpot theories about all sorts of things.
we hear about them,look into them and laugh.however, once in a great while, somebody presents a cogent and feasible thesis backed up by scholarship and history.watch this video presentation and present your rebuttal (or agreement) for discussion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uqg8w7ezuq&t=268s.
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cofty
Before I invest time watching the video, in what way is this not just another crazy conspiracy theory? -
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Douglas Murray in conversation with Jordan Peterson
by LoveUniHateExams ini gotta say, i wasn't particularly impressed with peterson in his debates with sam harris - way too much waffling about 'the spirit of the logos' xd.
but here is a nice, interesting discussion with douglas murray.. i think there's mutual respect between the two men.
during the debate with harris in london, peterson reached across and adjusted murray's mic.
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cofty
Peterson never uses five words when he can use fifty. When he is finished you still have no idea what he actually thinks — which, of course, is the whole point.
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Two witness rule: who cares?
by _Morpheus ini find people railing against the so called “two witness rule” puzzling.
i think its a complete and total non issue.
for those that protest, argue or advocate for change in that rule, why?
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cofty
Heydog — It is not about a lack of training and honest mistakes in the past. It is about thousands of cases where victims were pressured not to report abuse so as to protect the organisation's reputation.
The Royal Commission uncovered more than 6,000 examples — not one of them had been reported despite some Australian states having mandatory reporting laws.
The organisation has paid out huge sums of money in recent years to compensate victims for its own neglect.
Many western countries DO NOT have mandatory reporting laws. The UK has no mandatory reporting law for example. Some US states have no mandatory reporting laws. Only some Australian states have mandatory reporting laws.
‘Internationally, few countries appear to have mandatory reporting laws covering child abuse.’ - Report by NSPCC
There is a good case to be made against mandatory reporting but it depends on organisations who work with children having a willingness to do things properly. The Watchtower have become the poster-child of how to do things badly.
Please stop trying to excuse this problem as being just an example of improving attitudes in society in general. The watchtower have been outstanding in their ineptitude in this matter.
Where mandatory reporting does not exist they have not improved one bit. The manufactured atmosphere of trust that exists in an organisation like the Watchtower, combined with an inordinate desire to protect its reputation results in a perfect environment for child abuse to prosper.