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  I'm not into conspiracy theories, but Google FEMA clergy response team. Would WT. throw the R&F under the bus to save it's own skin

  by nowwhat? in

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  correct me if i'm wrong but about the same time this was activated was when the wt.

  came out with the "we may receive instructions that may not seem practical from a human standpoint".

  and it has been emphasized greatly regarding covid measures that "we must obey the superior authorities".

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  I'm not into conspiracy theories but .... (insert outrageous conspiracy theory here)
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  William Miller

  by lepavoux in

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  " this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!

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  PZ - The topic is interesting. Your ranting is not.
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  William Miller

  by lepavoux in

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  " this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!

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  Mini - No.

  Joen - Russell was not an 'occultist'.
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  William Miller

  by lepavoux in

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  " this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!

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  Pete I get vienne's frustration.
  The idea that Russell was influenced by Masonic rituals has been debunked so many times and so thoroughly by thoughtful posters it is astonishing that the myth won't die. I guess people prefer a mystery to facts they ought to have known but didn't.

  Even what vienne and her late mum have posted in this forum has shown how poor most exJWs knowledge is of the origins of the religion. Most seem happy that way.
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  William Miller

  by lepavoux in

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  " this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!

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  Thank you Annie.
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  William Miller

  by lepavoux in

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  " this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!

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  vienne - Is it fair to say that Miller was one of many Millenarians of that time and that he had an influence on Russell? Who would it be accurate to identify as the source of the Millenarian movement?

  I'm putting those books on my xmas list.
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  How do JWs view the Ransom?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  looking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..

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  Vander - JWs don't see themsleves as culpable sinners as other xtians do. The imagine their only real problem is 'inherited sin' which was all Adam's fault.

  Jesus' death buys back the value of that first perfect life and by proxy all of Adam's offspring. (Don't go down the rabbit hole of who paid what to whom, it leads nowhere) This wipes the slate clean up to the moment of baptism. All previous sin can be neatly filed under 'imperfection'. But from the moment of baptism JWs must now prove themselves worthy of salvation through good works - specifically through loyalty to the organisation.

  They see no distinction as regards the ransom in relation to anointed or otherwise apart from the weird idea that anointed are declared righteous, whereas the other sheep are declared 'relatively righteous' - a bit like being a little bit pregnant. (I'm not making this up)

  Russell taught that Jesus' death bought back the life of Adam who would be resurrected. Everybody else was unborn in Adam's 'loins' when he sinned so we were redeemed also - I think Russell was a preformationist. Rutherford cancelled that declaring Adam beyond the pale and changed it so that it was not Adam that was redeemed but the value of Adam's perfect life.
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  Does Anybody Here Sympathize With The Looters That Cause Destruction?

  by minimus in

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  i realize some here are diehard democrats.

  whether you are democrat, republican or independent, do you support any of these looters that cause mayhem and destruction for their cause?

  i have heard some people sympathize with these law breakers saying they understand why they do what they do and leave it at that.. of course i wonder how they would feel if their own property was burnt or stolen or destroyed..

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  George Foreman?

  Didn't he box and then later make healthy fryers? He dead?
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  5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale

  by usualusername1 in

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  i had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.

  price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.

  am in shock.

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  They got £4.5 million for it.

  Built with volunteer labour and flogged to Islam to compensate victims of JW pedophiles.

  If the thousands of JWs who laboured to realise this dream in the 80s had only known.
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  How do JWs view the Ransom?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  See the opening paragraphs of this article for an explanation of how the explanation of the Ransom changed from Russell to Rutherford.

  According to a mainstream Christian Jesus died for our sins. According to a JW Jesus died to exchange the value of his perfect life for the life Adam forfeited by his sin.

  The concept of vicarious punishment has been lost.