That's awful. That man should be imprisoned indefinitely. I suppose the JW equivalent would be getting assaulted by a 'brother' and then being forced to go out on field service with him.
bulgogiboy
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Priest 'made girl say 10 Hail Marys after assault'
by behemot inhttp://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/priest-made-girl-say-10-hail-marys-after-assault-2022638.html.
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JWs having Facebook Sex - Strongly warned to get off FB at CA yesterday
by shopaholic inso it appears that jws are letting their freaky side come out on fb for everyone to see.. there was talk on the ca yesterday strongly warning all true lovers of jehovah to delete their fb accounts.
the talk was solely about fb.
the speaker mentioned that jws are associating with people that would not associate with in real life, often using the excuse that the person is a relative.
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bulgogiboy
This was virtually inevitable, in fact I'm surprised it didnt happen sooner. I hope it does become a DF'ing offence to use FB, it might cause large numbers of jws to realise how much they are being controlled...
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Worldly friends on Facebook
by dgp insome people i know to be jw's have worldly friends as facebook friends.
i apologize for my ignorance, but, isn't this supposed to be socializing with worldlies?
if so, it seems many jw's are simply ignoring what the wts says.
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Hi Leec, Yeah that's a tough situation, the last thing you want is a giant messy skidmark of a friendship. I know what JWs would counsel her to do if she were in your position, they would tell her to, "harden her heart" and to "be mindful" that "bad associations spoil useful habits", and they wouldnt give a shit if you had a bad back! Never underestimate the lack of humanity that is present in religious fundamentalists, even the most seemingly nice ones. They are after all, in hopeless devotion to a God that has in the past sanctioned genocide, child murder/rape and slavery, and a complete lack of pity for those in disagreement with him. If you havent read the Old Testament I suggest you have a little look, just one nice example is the book of 'Numbers' Chapter 31, quite enlightening. Your friend will be reading passages like that and trying to justify why mass murder and sexual slavery of children was the right thing to do... She told you you couldnt remain friends unless you 'study' the bible with jws right(Read: be spoon-fed watchtower publications and agree with it all unquestioningly)? That was her ultimatum, you didnt give it, she did. So you can tell her the truth, you arent interested in being a JW, it's just not for you, and if she cant accept that then sadly you can no longer be friends. After that I would end the friendship with a clear conscience, regardless of whatever back pains she is suffering, etc. If Jehovah is so special for her she can ditch her friends for him, then let him take care of her, and help her out. I know It sounds harsh, but you didnt ask for this...I would just tell her plainly that you arent interested in ever becoming a JW, and see what her reaction is. I'm guessing that would be the end of the matter....
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Worldly friends on Facebook
by dgp insome people i know to be jw's have worldly friends as facebook friends.
i apologize for my ignorance, but, isn't this supposed to be socializing with worldlies?
if so, it seems many jw's are simply ignoring what the wts says.
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bulgogiboy
About the family: As far as I remember, there is nothing in the WT's regulations that says someone like 'T' cant visit/talk to her family members, regardless of their religious beliefs. Even if they're disfellowshipped they can still talk to them (although many get carried away by their emotions and righteous indignation and choose to 'shun' anyway). Although the WT might slip in a little suggestion to be 'mindful' when in the company of worldly family members, I dont recall them ever ordering people(offcially at least) to break off contact with family members. I think the strongest thing they counselled was to keep 'associations to a minimum' with disfellowshipped family members. If they relatives have never been disfellowshipped, and are part of a Baptist church, the witnesses in the KH might encourage contact with them, so that they can 'bring them the truth', who knows?
About worldly friends: When I was a JW worldly friends were vehemently discouraged, so much so that I started to view non-jws as almost sub-human. FB wasnt around when I was in the 'troooth', but chatting to and becoming friendly with worldly people on the internet was just as strongly looked down upon as making friends with co-workers, classmates, etc. On top of that though, I think association with worldly people of the opposite sex was even more taboo, because of the fornicatory reasons that jws love to dwell obsessively on night and day. So what she's saying to you might not be much of a deviation from what you'll find in mainstream jw thinking(twisted in logic as it is).
About the mother: She's got worldly friends on FB because, let's face it, you hardly ever have any contact with 90% of the people on facebook anyway, and they are often little more than a photo album and a sentence or two posted next to their name, if anything. I'm sure that'll be her reasoning, that they arent 'real' friends, so it doesnt matter. She's being naughty though, she's not listening to the WT, cause the WT actively discourages socialising with non-jw friends, as I mentioned before.
What you MIGHT find, is that if an Elder, or Elder's wife that she respects, was to highlight this in a critical way, or if this came up in a very damning talk from a CO, that she might suddenly choose to delete all those friends....It would be unlikely that she would give a toss if you pointed this out to her, cause you're just a worldly little nobody in her eyes, what do you know....?
long story short = no, they shouldnt be having worldly friends on FB, but more importantly, should YOU be considering ending YOUR association with 'T' if it looks like she's going down the fundamentalist road...? What exactly would you have in common anyway? Trust me, its difficult maintaining a friendship inspite of the WT brainwashing, I know, i've been there(except I was the brainwashed person). If she gets deeper and deeper into the JW mindset, accept that(for the moment at least) your friend is gone, and take several steps back. You never know, she might come round later in life, and you can be mates again...
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Worldly friends on Facebook
by dgp insome people i know to be jw's have worldly friends as facebook friends.
i apologize for my ignorance, but, isn't this supposed to be socializing with worldlies?
if so, it seems many jw's are simply ignoring what the wts says.
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Hehe I got a message on FB from a JW girl in Australia who I had known while she was living here in the UK. I hadnt seen her in years. She was so friendly in her message, was really nice. Then I politely replied that I was no longer a JW, and if that wasnt a problem she was welcome to be FB friends. Never heard from her again...
I'm guessing that FB would be heavily frowned upon by the WT, as it's something that worldly people do to socialise/network, so I can't see how they could be happy about JWs becoming involved in it. It also encourages JWs to spend more time on the internet, which increases the chances of them stumbling upon the nasty scandals and hidden secrets of the WT.
Basically anything that's fun and enjoyable can be targeted by the WT, and as FB is fairly new, it'll take some time for them to start the 'suggestions'(Read: orders) to 'seriously consider' (Read: Do it!!!) avoiding facebook, but i'm sure they'll get there. They want members to feel guilty about every non-WT related activity they take part in. I remember, years ago, an Elder telling me he had tried a golfing game on a games console and found it rather fun. He wouldnt be playing it again though, as "these things are designed to take up your time"(the implication was that Satan had designed this game). Utter claptrap!!
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Married to the mob
by Married to the Mob inhi, first post after a couple of years of lurking!.
firstly i am not a jw, never have been and never will be!
however i married in to the mob!
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bulgogiboy
I apologise if anyone was offended by my post. I was unaware of the incident in Virginia. And in any case, if it offended anyone I'm sincerely sorry.
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Two faced pedophile protecting abandoners of God. quotes from the wt & g
by Aussie Oz injust spent a little time going through the wt lib 08. as expected, tons of attacks on the clergy.
while aknowledging it can happen in the congregation, the impression is one of 'we do the right thing'.i would have expected 'gods organization' to have trumpeted fromthe roof tops that they found a pedophile in their midst and outed them.
now it would seem there is no way they can afford to do what the catholic church has been forced to do.
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bulgogiboy
Another reason to keep it swept under the carpet is that there are so many naive JWs who associate the Church(especially the Catholic Church) with corruption, inhumanity and perversion, and the JW organisation with purity, humanity and virtue. This forms part of the 'evidence' that JWs are the true religion and the Churches are apostates, and as a consequence keeps their faith strong. This was exactly how I thought, I couldnt conceive of any JWs molesting children, let alone elders or even GB members! I thought JWs were 'better' than the 'worldly' people, who I grew to view as the walking dead, doomed people with no hope, non-humans in fact (how could they be worthy of my love and consideration if they were scheduled for destruction - 'dead in the world'? ). I also assumed Christ ruling over his congregation (invisibly of course :) ) would not allow men to perpetrate these kinds of heinous crimes, or at least punish and oust them from his midst as soon as they did anything of this nature.
It turns out though, that all the time the watchtower and awake were pointing the finger at the Churches for their protection of paedophiles and covering up of sexual molestation, they were doing exactly the same thing. They were no different from the Churches at all!!! If I had known this at the time it might not of enduced me to break free from the brainwashing, but it would have got me asking questions, and might well have gotten me so angry I might have left out of sheer disgust. I think the best thing that can happen from these tragic instances of child abuse, is that JWs wake up to the fact that the WT is just as corrupt as any other in the spectrum of religions out there. Their claims of purity can be debunked, and I hope these cases get as much publicity as possible!
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I stopped attending, my wife wants to check out the Hall
by Leprechaun inyes i gave up the cult like ways of the dubs, but to be fair to my sweet wife, she wants to check out the meetings based on her hearing the phone tie in from my moms house where we live and reading a few tracts, ( i am neither lord nor master over my wife,) so we are going to the hall this morning to listen to the circuit overseers visit and main talk.. after i take her there i asked her if she would go with me to a baptist church near us to see the difference how they treat me there, (i was desfellowshipped then reinstated) and the general over all fellowship that i feel should be a mark of real christianity, - .
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I wish you all the best mate. I hope she likes the Baptist Church better(the much lesser of two evils I think), and listens to you about the horrors of the jws. That would be SO unbelievably frustrating, for you to come out, having gotten wise to the deceitful rubbish that they peddle, and then have to see your wife go through the whole brainwashing process...I hope you really make strenuous efforts to drill it into her head exactly WHY you are leaving the watchtower suit-wearing booksellers association, and how much the WT will rule her life, how miserable it will be....
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Married to the mob
by Married to the Mob inhi, first post after a couple of years of lurking!.
firstly i am not a jw, never have been and never will be!
however i married in to the mob!
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Oh dear, why on earth did you marry a jw in the first place? I grew up in a divided household and it was miserable, especially at Christmas! I actually dreaded Christmas, it was an intensely unhappy time of year in my home. I would never be able to put my kids through that hell. I hope if you ever have kids together you make it clear that they arent going to be indoctrinated and forced to sit bored shitless in the KH, dressed like little used car sellers.... Still, love is blind I suppose...(and stupid-I know that from personal experience).
You could always be unbelievably generous to your MIL by taking her into the woods and shooting her in the chest several times with a large calibre rife(or shotgun if you prefer). That way you would be able to have a bit more peace, and she would be in a state of blissful non-suffering, just waiting for Jehovah to get his groove on and raise her up. A much better position to be in than all the other countless millions of decent, good-hearted people(like you) who will be destroyed for eternity, simply because they happen to be alive at the time Armageddon takes place...Do her a loving favour, pop some caps in her old ass!
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Question for Bethelites and former Bethelites
by garyneal inaccording to paul blizzard, there were a lot of drunken parties and a lot of drinking at bethel back when he was a bethelite around the 1970's or 1980's (http://www.watchthetower.com/).
out of curiosity, does this stuff still go on today?
for any of the more recent bethelites, can you describe what your experience was like serving in bethel?.
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bulgogiboy
I visited Brooklyn Bethel in 2001, and went to a bar with quite a few of the Bethelites. They drank moderately because they had to get up early the next day, "so no hangovers for us (as in, it's not convenient for us to have them right now)" one guy said. They talked a lot about booze though, and I got the impression they were no less fond of the booze than regular jws(who, lets face it, are pretty fond of it!). I remember at the time being disappointed by the fact they just seemed like regular jws, I suppose I was expecting some kind of extra-special devoutness from them :)