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  Hildabingen - The Devil made you do it !

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named satan.

  this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.

  he finally got a bright idea.

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  jerome

  I think that we should put this post in the whose who section.

  jerome

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and there may be hell to pay.
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  The Protect the Children Sham

  by HildaBingen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.

  this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.

  he finally got a bright idea.

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  jerome

  What is the sense of arguing with someone that cannot understand where your coming from?

  It urks me everytime I gotta read the igorance that one of these JW apologists says.

  If someone has intelegence but refrains from using it i label that stupidity. And theres alot os stupidity going on here.

  Do you know how much time it takes to take one of these people sit them down give them a tranqulizer shot to keep them from getting angry then tell them that their in a cult?

  Its just a waste of time when youre dealing with that formidable combination of aggorance and stupidity.

  Its just a waste of time.

  jerome

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and there may be hell to pay.
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  The Protect the Children Sham

  by HildaBingen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.

  this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.

  he finally got a bright idea.

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  jerome

  I see were still at it.
  I wonder how many pages this thread will last?

  jerome

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and there may be hell to pay.
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  JWs and the Pavlov experiments. [Train your dog]

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some of you may have heard of experiments where a russian sicentis by the name pavlov was able to train some of his dogs to drool at the sight of a light bulb flashing or at the tune of a door bell ringing.. he did it by combining something that happens naturally [the dog drooling at sight of food] with something that normally dosent produce a responce [door bell ring and flashing light bulb] and then removing the food from the whole senario only after the drooling and a ringing door bell/flashing light bulb became intertwined in the dogs mind over time.. normally when a dog sees food it drools.

  the sight of food is a natural stumlus and it therefore produces a naturall responce.

  it helps the digestive process of the dog.. when a dog sees a light bulb flashing you wouldent expect it to drool now, would you?

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  jerome

  Thanx

  i hate it when I screw up a post but I do it all to often.

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and there may be hell to pay.
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  JWs and the Pavlov experiments. [Train your dog]

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some of you may have heard of experiments where a russian sicentis by the name pavlov was able to train some of his dogs to drool at the sight of a light bulb flashing or at the tune of a door bell ringing.. he did it by combining something that happens naturally [the dog drooling at sight of food] with something that normally dosent produce a responce [door bell ring and flashing light bulb] and then removing the food from the whole senario only after the drooling and a ringing door bell/flashing light bulb became intertwined in the dogs mind over time.. normally when a dog sees food it drools.

  the sight of food is a natural stumlus and it therefore produces a naturall responce.

  it helps the digestive process of the dog.. when a dog sees a light bulb flashing you wouldent expect it to drool now, would you?

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  jerome

  I had to edit it because i never make sense the first time i post something.

  jeorme

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and there may be hell to pay.
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  JWs and the Pavlov experiments. [Train your dog]

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some of you may have heard of experiments where a russian sicentis by the name pavlov was able to train some of his dogs to drool at the sight of a light bulb flashing or at the tune of a door bell ringing.. he did it by combining something that happens naturally [the dog drooling at sight of food] with something that normally dosent produce a responce [door bell ring and flashing light bulb] and then removing the food from the whole senario only after the drooling and a ringing door bell/flashing light bulb became intertwined in the dogs mind over time.. normally when a dog sees food it drools.

  the sight of food is a natural stumlus and it therefore produces a naturall responce.

  it helps the digestive process of the dog.. when a dog sees a light bulb flashing you wouldent expect it to drool now, would you?

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  jerome

  Some of you may have heard of experiments where a Russian sicentis by the name Pavlov was able to train some of his dogs to drool at the sight of a light bulb flashing or at the tune of a door bell ringing.

  He did it by combining something that happens naturally [the dog drooling at sight of food] with something that normally dosent produce a responce [door bell ring and flashing light bulb] and then removing the food from the whole senario only after the drooling and a ringing door bell/flashing light bulb became intertwined in the dogs mind over time.

  Normally when a dog sees food it drools. The sight of food is a natural stumlus and it therefore produces a naturall responce. It helps the digestive process of the dog.

  When a dog sees a light bulb flashing you wouldent expect it to drool now, would you? So we call this an artificially induced stumil-responce interaction.

  But what he found was that if you flash a light bulb right before a dog recives its meal and repeat it over a period of time the dog learns to expect the meal after the sight of the flashing light bulb or a door bell ringing and the dog drools in preparaion for its meal.

  Makes sense, dosent it!

  So now every time he rings a door bell or flashes a light bulb in the presence of the animals he has a laugh as he watches his dogs drools when there isnt any food around.

  Do you think that people can be that silly and predictible?

  Well lets see.

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  Most people have heard about God, they kinda know how youre supposed to react when something is mentioned that seems to have his backing behind it. Even if the person has never heard anything about any kind of supernatural being all you gotta intorduce one of any religeous zelots and they will be shure to share the word with the unbeliever. And according to principles of social infulence the non believer in time will shurely have take on some of the characteristics of the religeous zelot regardless of his faith. Or when all else fails theres always the threat of hell or loosing out on some sort of spritual paradise after you die. Since people may wanna be on the safe side they may choose to go along with the message of the gospel.
  When you think about it though, if you believed that there actually was a supernatural being responsble for your exhistence then and he asked you simply to obey what ever he sais to do then most would be willing to comply. What God says to do is by definition reasonable after all. So if you dident do as he commanded you'd be breaking the rules.

  So good now we have a situation where everyone has some sort of characteristic behavior common to belief in a supernatural being. They may for instance know that believers pray to this devine being in the hope of devine guidance, they study his word and they may also now be aware of the fact that God should be feared and his authority is unquestionable eventhough he gives you the free will to do as you please. As I said before what ever god saysto do is by defnition reasonable after all he does make the rules.

  For these people that are now believers or receptive to the gospel [which ever one it may be] lets just say that a JW knocks on their door one saturday morning.

  They would already know that if God says to jump, a good believer would ask how high.

  Lets call this the natural stimulus that causes a responce.

  [ Even though the belief has been accuired, for simplicity call it naturall. besides many people argue that you are born with a desire to seek a relationship with a higher power.]

  The Watchtower claims to speak for God. Lets call this the artificial stiumlus because people wouldent normally do what the Watchtower comanded.

  A major part of the JW indoctrination process is to get you to accept the Watchtower leaders alone have the authority to speak for God.

  Now lets combine these two stumli:

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  If God speaks I would obey because if I dident it would be me who was breaking the rules.

  The Watchtower speaks for God therefore I obey them if not I would be breaking Gods command.

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  Now lets remove the part where God is speaking and you have:

  The Watchtower speaks so therefore you obey.

  The result is:

  One ready-made easy to minuplate mind controlled indivdual honestly beleving that they are fighting some all out holy religeous battle against evil simply by following a publishing companys lead.

  And we think that we have a mind of our own.

  I wouldent mind a critical analysis os the senario that i've just laid out it would be much appreciated.

  jerome
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  The Morman Heavies came over..

  by tdogg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ..tonight to see my wife.

  the kids and i stayed downstairs so she could have some quiet.

  now i know what that "disbelieving husband" felt like when we would pop in to study with some sister or sister-to-be.

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  jerome

  Double edge youre a Mormon right?

  jeorme
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  Gods has a body ???WT says so

  by mouthy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  may 15th watchtower 2002-i see where they say god has a body!!!!

  as well as a spirit-didnt i learn as a jw he was only spirit no body-.

  i guess the "body snatchers" must have returned the body--or do we have new light here??

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  jerome

  Hilda seems to be showing up everywhere.

  jerome
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  The Morman Heavies came over..

  by tdogg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ..tonight to see my wife.

  the kids and i stayed downstairs so she could have some quiet.

  now i know what that "disbelieving husband" felt like when we would pop in to study with some sister or sister-to-be.

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  jerome

  I just mentioned the salamander letter because I have a [bad] habit of being a smart ass at times.

  jerome
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  Sudden Rash of JW Apologists

  by NeonMadman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  am i the only one who sees it as a bit odd that a large number of jw apologists has suddenly come out of the woodwork on this board to defend the actions of the watchtower society toward bill bowen, barbara anderson and the pandelos?

  for the longest time, virtually the only ones on this board who advocated an essentially orthodox jw viewpoint were you know and nytelecom/mavman (though each of them could easily be classed with us "apostates" if the watchtower knew of their disagreements with the party line).. but suddenly, we have a bunch of totally loyal, utterly doctrinaire jw apologists posting almost exclusively on threads related to the pedophile issue.

  most of them are taking next to impossible positions from any reasonable standpoint.

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  jerome

  Gee syn

  We seem to think alike.

  jerome