Posts by jerome

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Special Talk for Dumb And Dumber

by metatron in

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if this organization is going to survive, they must get.

dumber and dumber.

otherwise, people will catch on and leave.. with this truth in mind, i listened to the special talk.. it's so amusing to hear how self referenced the organization.

jerome

Texsham

I gotta say, I break down laughing every time I see your pic.

What inspired you to get that?

jerome

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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They Came Back!

by jerome in

i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.

it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.

except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.

jerome

Trudy

THEY DONT LISTEN.

It is like explaining what is calculas to a 6 year old mentally disabled child.

Their attention span dosent last that long. And when you say something that they dont agree with they start to throw temper tamtrums.

Its best you warn the 'wordly' people and spread information. I dont see how you can do anything else.

If people find out about these things before they even think about becomeing a JW, there is no way that they are going to join.

But once you join, I think its a bit too late.

If you cant reason with somebody, you cant get them to consider the fact that you may be right or even get them to stay on one topic long enough for it to make an impact then what?

I consider myself to be very optimistic but things look really dim for JWs.

But its very important that you dont right off anybody without giving them a chance first. So thats why i'll continue to speak to any that decide to listen. But other than that, theres nothing that they will let me do for them, there just too proud.

It makes no sense.

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They Came Back!

by jerome in

i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.

it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.

except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.

jerome

I dont really care that much for golf so that wouldent really have made a difference. But I do like Tiger though.

In another thread I said that I considered myself to be informed with reguards to the JWs.

So I think I have a moral obgliation to inform as many people as i reasonbly can about them.

And thats what i'm doing.

They use information controll so I spread information simple.

Believe me, every Witness that I come across is going to know about the UN.

jerome

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They Came Back!

by jerome in

i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.

it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.

except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.

jerome

New Light I am

19 she is 18.

It dosent really matter how many topics that they bring up you will get nowhere with any of them.

I think, at least I hope, that I know better than to tell my gf's parents that I wont ever become a jw.

Bualbee

I knew that JWs were impossible before I came to this board but I thought that I would somehow find a better way to communicate with them. But that plan fell throught thusfar.

But I know have a fair amount of information that the Watchtower wants kept secret so its this kinda stuff that i'll bring up.

Have you ever heard of trial and error?

Well I tried and I made lots of errs.

Now I hope to learn from my mistakes.

jerome

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They Came Back!

by jerome in

i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.

it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.

except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.

jerome

My dear trudy

After the experience I had today i nolonger wish to converse with any active Jehovahs Witness about the vadility of their theology.

like I said before.

They make me wanna pull out my hair. I just cant deal with that kind of stress at my young age.

It is really really fustrating to know that your right about something and be willing to explain it but when you do you get shot out the air for speaking the truth.

There is only one person who I will allow to raise my blood pressure in trying to get them to see the light.

The questions that you gave me are ok but I only ask questions that i think will envoke a response.

The two main issues that I would discuss with Witnesses are

1) The UN scandal

2) The Historical Destruction of jesurlem.

Because they cannot prove them false.

Anything reguarding the Bible is a waste of time.

They can take any verse out of the Bible and make it say anything that they want it to. So it makes no sense telling them that they are wrong.

I aint wasting no more time discussing anything with them. All i will do is bring up things that they cannot prove to be false. Simple.

It is really hard on me to indure the kind of agitation involved with talking to somebody that cannot use their intellegence.
When you see smart people saying the most stupd things it really makes you wanna scream.

And what is worse you really want to help them and they just shoot you out of the sky. I'm shure that you all know how that feels.

What is the since of showing somebody something when you know that they wont understand?

Somehow they have managed to block every avenue that would allow you to make way.

I just wanted to see if I could make any way with a Witness with all the knowledge that i've gathered over the months but as it would seem the knowledge that I have isnt good enough to defeate the attitude that they possess.

With the kind attitude that Witnesses have about the world any discussion is bound to be futile.

I right now am involved with an active Witness, and her mother and the rest of her family do not know that I will never have anything to do with that religion infact I warn people about it.
Do you see my dilema?

When they find out about it, my relationship with her would come under intense pressure. So I have been thinking of ways to break the news to them but after today, I have to rethink the intire stragety.

Whats worse it that she still believes that it is the truth.

My gf looked at me stragight in the eye and told me that shunning is an act of love.

The thing is that ending the relationship isnt even really an option. She has been through alot and I wont abon this relationship over a Religion like the Wachtower.

To think that in a way I was better off when I thought that jehovahs Witnesses were just ordinary christians.

I dont really need to talk about this anymore its all too depressing.

So now I have to start all over from scratch.

Back to the drawing board.

jerome

Edited to call turdy, trudy

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They Came Back!

by jerome in

i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.

it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.

except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.

jerome

The Watchtower is Veeeeeeerrrrry good at what it does.

It has to be stopped.

Imagine if you had that sort of controll over 6 million people what you could do with it.

I wanted to test out my new witnessing stragety with them but they stopped me at every corner.

This was important to me because I have to worry about telling my gf's parents that I dont share their beliefs and I never will.

Now that proposal dosent look too good.

Its like they just cant get anything. And when you try to explain it they stop you over some trivial matter.

It makes you wanna pull out your hair.

So I really dont know what i'm going to do from here but go back to the drawing board. I'll have to think of a new way to break the news to her parents.

But on the bright side;

I found out that the UN scandal is the most effective Witnessing tool. But even so they will think that the Watchtower had a good reason for doing it.

Any how it does get them to listen for a while.

So I'll make shure that every Witness that I talks to finds out about it.

jerome

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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They Came Back!

by jerome in

i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.

it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.

except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.

jerome

Ok here is how it went.

Sometime during the week two JWs came a knocking on my door and we had a discussion. They asked me if they could come back on sunday and I said yes.

I cleaned up the living room because my little sister made it a mess and I got ready for the four o'clock meeting.

They got there at 4:45. I was a little annoied at that because I thought that they werent coming back. But any ways when they did, the annoing feeling was all forgotten.

My father was in the living room watching golf and he said that he wasent moving so that caused a bit of a problem and I had asked them to wait outside for a minute while I rectified the problem. My father still wouldent budge so I had to ask them to come in and sit there in the living room with my dad in front of the television. That dident seem to be a problem though so I invited them in.

I really really dont want to type out all of that transpired because I dont have that kinda time to waste. I wasa going to see if could get a tape recorder but that fell through.

So i'll just give you the main details.

Quick summary:

The daughter did most of the talking.

Our discussion focused around.

False prophesy.
Shunning.
Lying. [Theocratic War Stragety]
United Nations.
Psychological Coercion.
Persecution.

False prophesy.

This had absolutely no impact on either of them what so ever.

According to there logic anybody can predict the end of the world, but once something big happens its ok.

They said:Look the deciples did it.

I asked them to show me where in the bible did the deciples prediced the end of the world.

They showed me Acts 1:6-7, and told me that the deciples thought that the Kindom would be established in their lifetime.

So then I read the above verses and I think it applied to the Kingdom of God being established. And in HEAVEN at that. So what was the fslse expectation?

Then they said: dont worry about that dont you see that they were mistaken?

I gave them a blank stare because I had absolutely no idea where they got that notion from reading that verse.

That was the first time I saw rose tinted glases in action. Because there they were telling me that the bible said this when it actually said that. I thought my gf was bad but they really made her look like a genius. Because she actually listens and makes sense. But they on the other hand...

Shunning.

This topic was quickly thown out.

We only do what the Bible says that you should do.

To me it made nosense going into that topic because i knew that they wouldtry to pretty it up. And I dident even want to gointo the context of the situation because they wouldent get it.

Lying

They had absolutely no idea what Theocratic War Stragety was, or at least they pretended as much.

So I had to abandon the topic.

[red]United Nations.

I struck oil with this one.

After explaining to them what an NGO was and how difficult it was to become associated as one. I got a fairly captive audience.

They are even coming back for proof!

I told them that I read it from a Newspaper called [i8]The Guardian[/i] that the Watchtower itself quotes from.

I said that the title was something like "Hypocrite Jehovahs Witnesses get Dissociated from the UN DPI."

Then she started to explain to me that they could have just become registered so that they could send food into some country that needed food or in order to enter some country that the Witnesses were prohibited in.

But anyway they dident believe it but they still want proof.

So tomorrow i'll get as much info about the UN as I can so that when they come back I will have proof.

Psychological Coercion.

The daughter stopped me as soon as I said the word 'Coercion.'

She wanted to make it clear to me that No Body Forces You to Join the Witnesses. It is Your Own Decision.

So with that kinda attitude I got absolutely nowhere. Dident even get to say Mindcontroll.

Persecution.

She some how wants to get me to believe that they are the most persecuted religion on earth.

So I asked her what about the Jews?

Then she said that they were the ONLY RELIGION SPEAKING OUT ABOUT WHAT HITLER WAS DOING TO THE JEWS BACK IN THE 1940's.

So I asked her:

' Do you have a 1934 year book?'

She said no not presonally but that the kingdom hall should have one.

I told her that that topic would take alot more than hour to discuss so I dropped it.

Lessons Learned.

Jehovahs Witnesses are the most difficult people on earth to talk to.

They do not make sense out of anything.

You are wasting your breath trying to Witness to one.

They somehow never seem to get the point about anythinhg that you are saying.

You have to keep bringing them point of the matter you brought up.

They are so proud of the fact that only they have the truth, it is inconseiveable that anyone could be right about anything pertaining to the bible but them.

You should have a computer in the room, but even then it wont matter.

Problems faced.

You are expected to believe everything they say without question.

Their logic fails me.

They lie, and dont even bat an eye when their doing it.

They dont usually know what it is that your talking about so most of the time you get a blank stare.

Once you become a Witness its all over.

Plan of action.

Prevention is better than cure.

I personally wont waste anymore time trying to talk to any of them nless I think that they are ready to hear it.

But I may ocascionally anwser the door once in a while to listen to what they have to say and to take their magaziens and preserve them for evidence.

I'll just warn all of my friends and family about them but other than that i'm not going out of my way to talk to anyone as stubbourn as they are.

jerome.

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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They Came Back!

by jerome in

i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.

it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.

except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.

jerome

I forgot to mention that they told me that they thought that my mind wasant open enough.

Imagine that.

But I really dont want they to come back after next time so when they do i'll have to tell them.

Apparently they think that I an a potential convert, so I guess that i'll have to busrt their bubble next week.

Bye untill I I type out what I can rember from their 1 hour visit.

jerome

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They Came Back!

by jerome in

i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.

it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.

except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.

jerome

I just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.

Right now I have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.

The guy dident come back though.

It was only the lady and her daughter.

Let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless. Except for one thing.

They were surprised about the UN thing, but other than that nothing mattered. They said that the Watchtower would never do anything like that but even if they did that it was for a good reason.

I think that I should mention that they want proof of them joining the UN but I dont really think that they would care.

So thats it for now.

jerome

p.s.

They are coming back for the proof of them regeristering next week.

Later i'll fill in the details.

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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Howmuch do you pay for internetacess

by happy man in

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friends

intresting to chech how much money do you pay for bee out on internet here in sweden it is not so commen widh brodband on the country where i live, i hade modem and it cost a lot of money , if you are out on the days it costs around 2cent minute, and if you are out on the evning it is cheeper, around half, and then you have to pay a price evry month 20$, they who have brodband pay only 35$ and have acess all time, but i think it is impossibel to have it here it is only in the bigg citys.

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internet is a fantastisc thing ,where peopel from allover can meet and tell ther storys.

jerome

$30 US a month.

Dial up.