Posts by Oceanblue

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How can you test whether you have broken free of the mind control

by cantleave in

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it's been less than a year but i think i am nearly there.. i can read through a mag or sit through a meeting and instantly see through the bs.. i can watch the news without thinking is this a part of the composite sign.. i see people for what they are without trying to pigoen hole them.. i'm not worried what the elders think.. however,.

i still show too much interest if i see something about a jw in the media.. i notice kingdom hall if driving through a new place.. i still want to stop and say hello if i see a group of witnesses on the street.. how do you guys and gals measure the progress of your exit from the cult?.

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Oceanblue

I sit through the meeting and find just about everything funny, from the talks on the platform, what is found in the publications, to the comments the Witnesses make.

On the other hand, when I am online, I make sure that I have more than one tab open, so that if anyone comes into my room, I can quickly switch from any JW related website of forum to something else. I am getting ready to prepare a letter stating why I will never be a JW again, complete with scriptures, to present to my parents and grandmother, as well as the elders, on a moments notice.

Like Farkel, I notice I still use those certain terms to like, "truth", "brother and sister", etc. But than again, it's only been a month for me, so I have a long way to go anyway. I'm sure once I move out of my parents house and get some much needed therapy, these things will disappear as the years go by. I believe it will always be there, but won't be such a big influence on my life anymore.

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To Ex-JWs: Do You Regret Learning it Was a Lie?

by leavingwt in

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this question was inspired by a question on another thread.

to the ex-jw community here,.

do any of you regret learning that wt is not god's organization?

Oceanblue

No, from the moment I learned it was all a lie, I felt free at last, God Almight, free at last! I'm so glad I know now, while I am in my early 20's, instead of later on, because now I can go on with my life. I regret leaving my family behind, but I just hope that one day they also learn the "truth" about the truth also.

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Why Would Someone Like me Leave the "Truth"? Part 3 Continued

by cantleave in

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mike and i decided that we would find out where he lived and visit him.

he had moved to completely different area but we were new elders and determined to get our man.

we confronted bro smith on his doorstep after establishing where his house was and waiting outside long enough to ensure that he was in.

Oceanblue

Yep. lisavegas420, I cried both times I met with the JC. That was part of the reason I put off going back to ask to be reinstated a second time. Obviously my hearfelt emotions didn't move them. Plus, I thought they could see that I was repentant by how many hours I spent reading the Bible and Watchtwor publicatons, studying and attending all the meetings. If that wasn't good enough for them, then what is? I already felt like God had forgiven me, what was taking them so long to forgive me? No I could care less what they think of me!

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Why Would Someone Like me Leave the "Truth"? Part 3 Continued

by cantleave in

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mike and i decided that we would find out where he lived and visit him.

he had moved to completely different area but we were new elders and determined to get our man.

we confronted bro smith on his doorstep after establishing where his house was and waiting outside long enough to ensure that he was in.

Oceanblue

I never truly felt sorry for anybody who was df'd or da'd themselves to the degree that J-dubs do. I viewed them humans beings. I just couldn't bring myself to be sorry for them being destroyed when I was miserable myself. In fact, I envied them. I remember when I came back from the JC when I asked to be reinstated, my dad, (former elder) said nobody is reinstated the first time. Where in the scriptures does it say that you have to go through 2 (humiliating) JC before you are deemed repentant enough to come back? I was crying, with snot rolling down my face, um, yea I def. was repentant. I can't see how elders can sit through their meetings and on JC committees and not come to the same conclusion you eventually did? They see and are aware of more than the average J-dub. They are def. in a postition to see that some things just don't make sense.

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Who's the best JWN liar? I'll start -- "we shun you cuz we love you"

by Fatfreek in

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a wisconsin man won top prize in the "world's best liar" contest.. the burlington liars club gave its top award to 58-year-old public health inspector jerry legro of sun prairie.

his lie: ""i just realized how bad the economy really is.

i recently bought a new toaster oven and as a complimentary gift, i was given a bank.".

Oceanblue

We take 1 Thes. 4:11 seriously and always mind our own business concerning personal matters, since everyone has the freedom to do what their conscience allows them.

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STOP Talking to Your Family OR ELSE!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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" (the watchtower july 1st 1963 issue, page 411).

" (the watchtower july 1st 1963 issue, page 413).

" (the watchtower july 15th 1963 issue, page 446).

Oceanblue

Haha yep Ziddina, I brought this topic back up! Thank you everybody for warmly welcoming me. I finally have an outlet to freely use my brain! I wish I had some relatives that could help me :( most are J-dubs and the ones who aren't, I have no idea where they are! My family is one of those Witnesses that abandoned their non-witness relatives. As for my friend's, they are def. helping me to get a job. I feel like its only a matter of time before I get confronted with the ultimatium again and I want to be ready. Despite everything, I'm hoping for the best in 2010.

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Remember the clean rooms at the KH

by greenhornet in

i am not sure if this topic is in the right place but.......... back when i was "in" i remember some kingdom halls had clean rooms that were for poeple that were alergect to every thing.. do they still have them.

(also they had them at the conventions also).

Oceanblue

Well at the kingdom hall I (unfortunatley) still attend with my family, there are at least three families who have members who are allergic to everything. They just sit in the back school with the door closed and the blinds open so they can see the stage. No seperate entrance or clean air. There is always a delay when one of them decides to bless the rest of the congregation with their comments. I have allergies too, but before I was disfellowshiped, I never felt comfortable enough to sit back there with them because they complain too much and I didn't want to be viewed the same way they are, a nuisance, because they are always getting an attitude with their "brothers and sisters" for the hair prodects, deoderants, etc. they use. I didn't like how they gave other people dirty looks too. I just thought they had such a self-righteous attittude. I don't wear perfume, but I do use a certain deoderants because I sweat alot for a girl (eww!) and its the only one that works for me. Same thing for my hair. If it works, I'm not going to stop using it, even if I give my own self a headache. I'll just take some benedryl and call it a day.

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Was there one single thing that told you non-JWs were not that bad after all?

by dgp in

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when you people were witnesses, was there one thing (or many) that really told you non-jw's were not that bad people after all?

was there anything other people did to you that got you thinking or, better yet, feeling that you hadn't been told the truth about us?.

thank you for your answers..

Oceanblue

As I mentioned in my first post on here last night, the fact that I can name six of my "wolrdly" friends off the top of my head, who have taken the time to check in on me since I was disfellowshiped last year, speaks volumes to me. They understand what I did was wrong, but they don't treat me like I have a disease. They saw that I was hurting, in pain, and all they cared about was me. They realized that I needed support and that the practice of disfellowshiping (i.e. shunning) me to the degree that the WTS does, was making me feel worse. All they wanted to do was help me. One girl even offered me to come live with her. I turned her down because I didn't want to be a burden. I even stopped talking to her so that I could prove to my parents that I was letting go of my "worldly" friends, but recently contacted her a few weeks ago, after I started reading so-called "apostate" material. She told me that she loves me and that she only wants the best for me. She will always consider me a friend. I can't name any of my former witness friend's who would tell me that without me being reinstated first.

Since I quit my job and can't find another one in this economy, I am working with this program through my state government. The first person I met was this man, who asked me why was such a pretty, smart young girl like me, doing there. I told him a little of my story, which caused me to break down in tears. He said what the Witnesses are doing to me is not right.

I also wondered about all the wonderful things "worldly" people were doing by setting up,volunteering and sending in money for different charities. How could Jehovah just destroy these wonderful people, just because they aren't Witnesses helping to make that billion hours a year quota?

Bottom line... only the "worldly" people I have come in contact with have ever proven how much they care about me, despite the crazy J-dub reasonings I gave them for what was, for them, a strange way of thinking and acting about certain situations.

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For those who researched 607...

by AwSnap in

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did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

Oceanblue

This was the first point I tried to point out to my mom and it got me nowhere. All she could tell me is that everybody else has it wrong. I watched the youtube video and used their suggestion and tried to prove to my mom just using the Watchtower publications. I came up with 587 B.CE. just like they did. My mom didn't buy it and she went online and searched 607/587 B.C. and came back to me and said I was looking at apostate literature. I researched the date in my history book from my college class, 3 different Encyclopedias at the local library and I looked at some other websites online. All of them agreed on 587/586.

I think it was www.4jehovah.org (found that to be a good website for references, as well as the Christian Research Institute), but I found some information concerning the questions a-e that are in bohm's post. I read for myself in the Bible in the book of Jeremiah that more than one nation was involved during the 70 years, which matched the information I found when I went to the library. Once again, they glossed over the information and just picked out what proved their point. I think its in the May 2009 Awake, but in there they mention Jerusalem being destroyed in 607. I looked up the quote on the British Musem website and everything was the same, except the date. Interestingly, they didn't explain why they did that in the article. That's because they know that their loyal followers will not question anything they print. So, you def. have to be one step ahead because they are so indoctrinated that they will spew out all this rehearsed crap without batting an eye. They know how to argue the Watchtower's viewpoint from the Bible very well. That's why I always found the congregation Bible study and the Watchtower Study to be so frustrating. They are just reading what's in the paragraphs and don't let it be a young child commenting. You can just hear the approval from them hearing the children read the "answers" out the paragraph like they came up with the answer all by themselves! No orignal thought. It's sickening. I wish I could go downstairs to my dad's office and just grab all the bound volumes, bibles and magazines and just burn them all in the backyard!

As everyone else has pointed out, proving that 1874, 1878, 1910,1914, 1919, 1925, 1975, and I guess we can now add 2034 is wrong may be easier than trying to prove 607 B.C. I haven't researched this new date for myself yet, so I can't say so with certainty. It's not as obvious as the others ones were. I guess they've learned to be more subtle so that us apostates can't point to any one thing.

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Alleged Sexual Predator Frederick McLean Still Running From Justice

by Bangalore in

alleged sexual predator frederick mclean still running from justice.. .

http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/122909.htm.

bangalore.

Oceanblue

He used his "spiritual" privileges to gain access to his victims. What a sick, sick man! I am glad that they have not stopped looking for him. He can run, but he can't hide forever.