http://jwtalk.net/2010/12/memorial-service-for-brother-john-e-jack-barr/.
brother john e. (jack) barr of the governing body finished his earthly course on saturday morning, december 4, 2010, at 97 years of age.
brother barr had a rich spiritual heritage, and he certainly leaves behind an outstanding name.
http://jwtalk.net/2010/12/memorial-service-for-brother-john-e-jack-barr/
Brother John E. (Jack) Barr of the Governing Body finished his earthly course on Saturday morning, December 4, 2010, at 97 years of age. Brother Barr had a rich spiritual heritage, and he certainly leaves behind an outstanding name. – Proverbs 22:1
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" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
Chalam: To get a resurrection body 1 Corinthians 15
So, I take it, the resurrection to you is not of persons but of 'bodies'? But even here, it is more or less a 'giving of a new body'?
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i studied w/ the witnesses for a number of years, to be specific, for 10 years (since i was a child) but never actually became one; though, i was counted as one in the yearbooks as a "publisher.
" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
Let me ask a question for those to hold to the belief that you die, go to heaven, then come back to earth:
If you die and go to heaven and are conscious of it, and thus alive, what is the point of the resurrection? I mean... you're already alive!
Is it merely a reunion of body w/ whatever went to heaven? If so, where in the Bible is the resurrection of a "person", just of a body?
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i studied w/ the witnesses for a number of years, to be specific, for 10 years (since i was a child) but never actually became one; though, i was counted as one in the yearbooks as a "publisher.
" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
Alright, I had to take that last jab at you
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" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
brotherdan:
But Solider 77, he says that the MAJORITY of scholars agree with his POV... don't you know? That's your problem; you misread things. I said "Actually, the majority agree with me on this.. Most believe man's eternal dwelling place will be in the "new heavens and new earth." |
Not surprising since "kingdom OF heaven" means "kingdom IN heaven" to you....
i'm new to the forum, though i had been a lurker for quite some time now.
i studied w/ the witnesses for a number of years, to be specific, for 10 years (since i was a child) but never actually became one; though, i was counted as one in the yearbooks as a "publisher.
" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
i'm new to the forum, though i had been a lurker for quite some time now.
i studied w/ the witnesses for a number of years, to be specific, for 10 years (since i was a child) but never actually became one; though, i was counted as one in the yearbooks as a "publisher.
" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
Hi, believingxjw: you asked the following
" Is Jesus always going to be in heaven? No…"
Could you expound on that a bit? Thanks.
(Acts 3:19-21) . . .Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get YOUR sins blotted out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the person of the Lord and that he may send forth the Christ appointed for YOU, Jesus, whom heaven, indeed, must hold within itself until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old time. . .
I honestly think Acts 3:21 shuts down the Society's 1914, Jesus will be and reign in heaven w/ 144k doctrine because: According to Acts, Jesus will only be in heaven "until" it is the time of the restoration. Since he's only in heaven temporarily and since he's coming back, I think Acts 3:21 is the most explicit text of his temporal residence in heaven. Of course, there are all the other texts of "coming again" that imply the same principle.
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i studied w/ the witnesses for a number of years, to be specific, for 10 years (since i was a child) but never actually became one; though, i was counted as one in the yearbooks as a "publisher.
" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
Leolaia: Would I be correct in understanding you that you believe that heaven is not a destination at all, whether immediately at death or in the resurrection?
Yes, that would be my position. And thank you for being friendly, even though you probably disagree.......unlike that other post
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" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
Brotherdan: I don't even know where to begin to show how wrong you are about heaven
Start with the Bible....
Are you a Witness Dan? You sure do debate like one.. simply using fallacies calling things "silly" and making accusations here and there but you haven't proven what you say I'm doing..
But back to John 14: If Jesus "comes back" and his disciples are where he is, and if He is on earth since he came back... then Christians will be on earth, won't they dan? (especially in light of Rev 5:10)
Brotherdan: You are taking a verse out of context and misapplying WORDS.
Like suggesting "kingdom of heaven" is really "kingdom IN heaven" ? Is that what you mean?
You also said earlier that most scholars disagree with me..... Actually, the majority agree with me on this.. Most believe man's eternal dwelling place will be in the "new heavens and new earth." (see Douglas Wilson's Heaven misplaced; NT Wright's Surprised by Hope; etc. )
How clearer can Jesus be than Matt 5:5?
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i studied w/ the witnesses for a number of years, to be specific, for 10 years (since i was a child) but never actually became one; though, i was counted as one in the yearbooks as a "publisher.
" so, as far as i got was as an unbaptized publisher.
Brotherdan:
Could I get your opinion on this one:
John 14:2,3 - "In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also"
Where is the Father’s house? In heaven, but he also says “I am coming again”… You can only go back “again” to somewhere you have already been…..the earth:
(Acts 3:19-21) Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get YOUR sins blotted out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the person of the Lord and that he may send forth the Christ appointed for YOU, Jesus, whom heaven, indeed, must hold within itself until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old time. . .
Is Jesus always going to be in heaven? No…
You keep talking hermeneutics but cite no instance where I’ve violated any rules. On the other hand, you’re the one reading “kingdom of heaven” to mean “kingdom IN heaven.”
Talk about “cult-like mentality.” You’re reading the Bible the way the Society does…
