so i was doing some research on the russell’s origin which we all know is advetism.
i live close to the mecca of advetists and wanted to learn more about them.
wow is it interesting!
Hi! I believe this is the same document mentioned. Its full title is "The Truth About Seventh-day Adventist 'Truth,'" and I am posting the link to it. The author is a former Seventh-day Adventist named Dale Ratzlaff, who left their group sometime in the 1980's. http://www.lifeassuranceministries.com/pdf%20files/freett.pdf
ExpandedMind
i will start the ball rolling with the best do his name mike kramer a lovely man i believe he went to japan then had a burn out anyone know where he and alice are now.
Hi Belogical!
Mike Krammer and I were best-friends shortly after he came
into the Watchtower Organization, to the time I left (which was May 1984). I actually met Mike’s Dad in the
door-to-door work and placed a couple of magazines with him. When I made a return visit, his Dad suggested
I talk to Mike, which I did and that led immediately into a study. While we were studying we both realized that
there was a deep-friendship growing. I even shared in baptizing him.
Mike moved to where the need was greater and that’s where he
met Alice. They got engaged and Mike
asked me to be his best-man. I still
have pictures of his and Alice’s wedding… so long ago.
I had been having a struggle with things I learned about the
Watchtower Organization’s history (even before Mike moved away). Mike knew something was bothering me and I
shared with him all my research. We
immediately went to talk to an elder, who said that he’d find out some answers
for me. Sadly, that never happened. Instead, I was told that what I wrote
bordered on apostasy I decided to, once again, focus on the
Organization and having Mike in my life certainly encouraged that.
After Mike moved away, I found that the questions I had had
still loomed and eventually talked to a couple of elders and told them that this
time, I WANTED ANSWERS. Of course, they
had no substantial answers and I decided to leave the organization. (I heard
that one of these elders also eventually left the Organization. Mike and I talked for the last time not long
before my disassociation and he was always trying to encourage me… right down
to the end. I heard through the grapevine that he and Alice had been in New Zealand. I've also, more recently, heard that they are now back in the States.
I still love and miss him and Alice so very much. And I so hope that, with all the information
he has likely seen in his time with the Witnesses that, just maybe, their eyes
will be opened up. None of us are
getting any younger and it would be incredible to see them again.
Not to be gossipy, but what kind of burnout did Mike have in Japan? Do you know? I hope he is fully recovered.
ExpandedMind
i think this is such a cute commercial!
(link below) however, if venus and serena's mother is a loyal witness, i am surprised that she would consent to do a mother's day commercial.
we all know what they teach about celebrating this and so many other holidays.
I also think I have read that Venus and Serena are not baptized and that their father was never a JW, but thought I had heard that their mother was an active JW. That's why I find it strange that she would do this type of ad.
i think this is such a cute commercial!
(link below) however, if venus and serena's mother is a loyal witness, i am surprised that she would consent to do a mother's day commercial.
we all know what they teach about celebrating this and so many other holidays.
I think this is such a cute commercial! (link below) However, if Venus and Serena's mother is a
loyal Witness, I am surprised that she would consent to do a Mother's Day
commercial. We all know what they teach
about celebrating this and so many other holidays. From the Reasoning from the Scriptures book:
"What is the origin of the practice of setting aside a day to honor mothers?
The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “A festival derived from the custom of mother worship in ancient Greece. Formal mother worship, with ceremonies to Cybele, or Rhea, the Great Mother of the Gods, were performed on the Ides of March throughout Asia Minor.”—(1959), Vol. 15, p. 849.
I wonder if she would have been counseled about this. Or maybe it explains, to a degree, why Venus and Serena haven’t always adhered strictly to Watchtower precepts.
Has anyone heard anything?
ExpandedMind
i woke up a little after 5 am this morning and looked at the clock and realized i had more time to sleep so i fell right back asleep.
i had this dream that i was letting my girlfriends dog out of her house and the next scene i was at work and i got a phone call.
the room i was in simply had a table and phone it was very bare.
Minimus,
Enjoyed reading about your dream...
This past year or so, I've been doing a lot of reading and researching on the paranormal, but mostly from a scientific perspective. Everything was so black & white for me as a Witness... everything/anything paranormal was of the devil. There have been many studies that indicate that ESP and telepathy really do happen (exactly how it works or exactly what they are seem to be a bit of a mystery). Anyway, this touches on other subjects like reincarnation and life-after-death. Some of the experiences I have read by people who have been/are skeptics, many of whom have scientific credentials, is pretty amazing. I am sharing with you one book you may like reading, by journalist Leslie Kean. She's an amazing writer, bringing together all sorts of "evidence," but still maintaining her skeptical/journalistic perspective. Here's a link to her book. http://www.survivingdeathkean.com/surviving-death/
ExpandedMind
my wife was diagnosed with ms about two years ago.
we have been living in ohio for the last 5 years but were recently assigned to a new congregation because of the dissolving and sale of our congregation/kh.
my wife's symptoms spiked after being relocated to our new hall back in january.
Hello!
You may already be aware of this, but there is a group of exJWs that meet periodically in the Chicago/Chicago Suburbs. Once you've settled in (and if you feel comfortable doing so) take a look at the Meetup website and join in. Not sure when the next gathering will be, but we have a good time when we do!
The Chicago Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses Meetup Group
https://www.meetup.com/exjw-29/
Best wishes!
ExpandedMind
i was seeking an old jw friend so i made a post about this on this website.
i ended up contacting him through facebook.
he has asked me to delete the post that is on this site, because when people google him, this website invariably comes up.
Thanks Simon! I just sent you a PM with the link.
i was seeking an old jw friend so i made a post about this on this website.
i ended up contacting him through facebook.
he has asked me to delete the post that is on this site, because when people google him, this website invariably comes up.
I was seeking an old JW friend so I made a post about this on this website. I ended up contacting him through Facebook. He has asked me to delete the post that is on this site, because when people google him, this website invariably comes up.
I looked to see if I could delete it and I am not seeing how to do so. Can an administrator delete it for me if I give them the link to it?
Thank you!
i heard this information 3rd hand, so i'm just after confirmation.
mike kramer, a little short guy.
was a bethel heavy and a company man through and through.
Hello!
I'd just been thinking about Mike & Alice (and actually frequently do). When I read the subject of your post (thanks for posting this!) my jaw just about dropped. I've been seeking to find out how they are for decades. I am so hoping that if anyone has word of them and how they are doing they will PLEASE post something.
Mike and I were best friends and I stood up as his best man for their wedding. I will never regret for a moment meeting him, although with hindsight I wish it had been apart from JWism. I actually called on and left magazines for his Dad, who indicated that his son (Mike) might be more interested in them. The next visit I met Mike and, well, as they say, the rest is history. Our friendship grew as we studied. Around five years later (after my having periods of doubting the Watchtower) I finally knew that I had to disassociate myself. By that time, Mike was married and living in Minnesota. I still remember our last conversation.
I miss Mike and Alice terribly even after over 30 years. And I will continue to hold out hope that they will awaken from the clutches of the Watchtower.
A few years ago, I had heard through a JW I know that they had moved back to the States. A while ago I did a google search, and it appears (at that time) that they might be living in Minnesota again.
PLEASE... anyone who knows anything, I'd appreciate hearing what you know. Thanks!
ExpandedMind
PS: I also heard that they had been serving in New Zealand (possibly in the circuit work).
update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.
i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.
- may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.
I met Grace back in the late 80's at a BRCI convention in Connecticut. I was immediately drawn to her warmth and sense of humor. After losing touch, I am grateful that we reconnected briefly through this website. Thinking of her and her family and sending healing thoughts!
