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  Watchtower's Jesus = Michael doctrine

  by Ding in

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  i've never really understood the watchtower's teaching on jesus being michael.

  here is what i understand they teach:.

  1. jehovah's first creation was the archangel michael.. 2. jesus was nothing more than a perfect man, not michael the archangel in human form.. 3. rather, when jesus was conceived in mary, michael went out of existence and his impersonal life force was put into jesus (analogous to sharing the same pacemaker).. 4. when jesus died, his impersonal life force went back into a recreated archangel michael.. .

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  Hi leoliaia, Thank you for the references. I was looking at the translation here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm but cannot figure out how to cross match the numbering system with the verses you mentioned. Any suggestions? Thank you.
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  Went to my first church service today since leaving JW's

  by TweetieBird in

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  went to a very progressive church today, they actually meet at a movie theater but really enjoyed it.

  they have a rock band that plays christian music but they also played some yes and james taylor.

  very laid back, everyone there in shorts or jeans and tee shirt.

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  What was the sermon about?
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  Watchtower's Jesus = Michael doctrine

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've never really understood the watchtower's teaching on jesus being michael.

  here is what i understand they teach:.

  1. jehovah's first creation was the archangel michael.. 2. jesus was nothing more than a perfect man, not michael the archangel in human form.. 3. rather, when jesus was conceived in mary, michael went out of existence and his impersonal life force was put into jesus (analogous to sharing the same pacemaker).. 4. when jesus died, his impersonal life force went back into a recreated archangel michael.. .

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  witness2witness, Thanks. Great point about Hebrews 1. Daniel 10:13 has always bothered me once I looked up all the related scriptures to try to prove to myself that the WT teaching regarding Jesus = Michael was true.
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  'Do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together...'

  by bez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering what some of your opinions are on this scripture???

  its one that has been thrown at me time and time again when i talk of my decision to leave the 'organization of god'.

  as i would not be gathering together with his people and therefore forsaking the gathering of myself together..... (if ya get me!)..

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  It means you should log onto JWN at least once a week and catch up on the new postings
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  Bethel Rules

  by brotherdan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this was brought up just in passing on another thread.

  but i wanted to see if there are any bethelites or ex bethelites that remember some of the crazy rules we had to follow when we were there..

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  nasal

  nasal?
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  "Rutherford, a prominent member of the Governing Body" (David Splane, 2010 DC)

  by pirata in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in david splane's talk, "remain in the secret place of the most high", at the 2010 district convention he referred to "rutherford, a prominent member of the governing body".. while technically correct (the governing body is a technical term for a board of directors), the term "governing body" currently has a spiritual meaning, seperate from "board of directors", in the eyes of jws: the representatives of the faithful and discreet slave who make the decisions on spiritual matters.

  my understanding is that the "board of directors" handle other business/legal operations (since the 80s re-org).. please correct my if i am wrong, but retroactively applying the modern-day understanding of the term "governing body" to the board of directors in the rutherford/knorr era suggests that the board of directors had equal input on spiritual matters.

  my understanding though is that the president/vice-president made the majority of decisions on spiritual matters during that time.. does anyone know of any quotes or references from watchtower material that states who actually made the spiritual decisions during the rutherford/knorr era?.

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  Thank you all for the comments and quotes. Lots of good material here.
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  Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

  by truthlover in

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  while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

  is this the way its done in most cong??

  he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

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  Don't understand the note-taking, witnesses are encouraged to take notes at the assemblies. I used to take notes at every Public Talk, practically had every outline written out in my notebook.

  Recommend getting a really loud flourescent higlighter to higlight the answers, and a red pen to underline the scriptures. Then hold up the magazine really high so everyone can see the markings. Bonus points if you write out key scriptures in the margins.
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  Will it work out for me? Any advice for me?

  by asilentone in

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  i met a woman some time back who i consider as a friend.

  i see her from time to time, no, i have never dated her.

  she does not look too bad.

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  Is she the mom? or the daughter? or someone else?
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  Do You any Witnesses that Just Married Someone Because they Came From A Prestigious Family?

  by Pitchess Co-Gen in

  1. jw
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  do you guy know any witnesses that married for privilege?

  for example the lowly male publisher married the c.o.t.b.o.e daughter and quickly move up the ranks.

  another example is that the witness girl that only date or marries up( only dates m.s,elders,ex-bethelites,or pioneers ).. .

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  I have heard brothers say that they will only marry pioneers and sisters say that they will only marry MS or Elder. However, it didn't seem to be for prestige. It was because this position helped to show the other marriage mates "spirituality".
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  Shunning advocated and taught in 1893 Watchtower. Disfellowship and shun apostates.

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am actually a bit shocked!

  i mean, i understood that up to 1953 the watchtower was against disfellowshipping and shunning, castigating the catholic church for the practice in the 1947 awake!

  no mixed message here as russell proclaims the righteousness and neccessity of shunning.

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  Thanks Ultimate Reality for the clafification. I'll take a look at the article in entirety.