Posts by pirata

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Official position on Salvation

by tiotuerto in

i became interested in jws about a year ago due to the favorable and believable answers to several questions that i had.

however there were a couple of others that were never clearly answered and i have since discovered a noticable reluctance on the part of wt elders to discuss.

perhaps there is someone out there that can set me straight on the official position of the organization on this particular point.. question: is it officially true that to have a chance at eternal life here on paradise earth one must be a (1) baptized and (2) official member of a congregation of the jehova's witnesses and that no others outside the jws can hope to attain salvation.. this seems to be the predominate assumption in most of the teachings i have so far encountered.

pirata

Jehovah is awe inspiring!

by Sour Grapes in

a witless friend sent this to me yesterday.

able to copy the picture however the email is interesting.

and really shows the depth of their mentality.. sour grapes.

pirata

Yes, a city is paying the electricity for a clock after residents complained. Truly an act of God.

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1975???

by 21stcenturywoman in

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i have a few questions about 1975. i was born after 1975, so i don't know too much about the armageddon prediction.

pirata

@21stcenturywoman

In talks and in print, the Society never said that Armageddon WAS coming in 1975. They said, it would be extremely appropriate, marvelous things may happen, and if things seemed delayed maybe it could be because the 6000 years didn't start till Eve was created, and we don't know how long from the time Adam was created to when Eve was created.

Official talks given by Fred Franz discusses this further (the author of the book "Life Everlasting in the freedom of the Sons of God", which started all the excitement about 1975):

http://www.archive.org/details/WhatIsTheSignficanceOf1975

http://www.archive.org/details/TimeInWhichWeAreNowInterestedByFredFranz

There's also a talk Charles Sinutko (a circuit overseer whose life experience was in the August 22, 2004 Awake pg. 19) was evidently reading too much into the Society's statements about 1975. This was one of the most forceful expressions I've heard regarding 1975, but it is not official. (I thought this was also on archive.org, but I can't find a link to it. Anyone have a current link?) From the sounds of people's experiences here, the excitement was stronger in some circuits/congregations than in others.

On a somewhat related, and possible more honest note, in 1925 when Rutherford's predictions never happened, he admitted to the bethel family "I made an ass of myself" (w84 10/1 pg. 24 footnote).

@Spade/SuperSpook/Maze et al.

Jehovah's Witnesses simply reflected what's contained in the Bible and associated means of measuring where we are in the stream of time.

If Fred Franz hadn't conjured up the 1975 idea, there would be about ZERO Jehovah's Witnesses who would have had the means or influence to come up with such a thing and spread their idea. Jehovah's Witnesses got that idea from an organization that teaches truth (or at least speculates truth in this case).

Your mother was right when she said that only the spiritually weak left the organization. Jehovah's Witnesses that are spiritually strong don't base their spiritual endeavors on a pivotal date for the end of this system of things.

And directly related to the point above, Jehovah's Witnesses as individuals would not be fixated on a "pivotal date" unless it came from the organization. There have been no issues regarding "pivotal dates" in the past 36 years because the Organization has stopped guessing dates (which also coincides with the full transition to the Governing Body arrangement in 1976, whereby one person's doctrinal ideas can no longer make it into print unless approved by the body).

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Which sentence is correct? Are both sentences correct??

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

bob and his family is coming here tonight.

.

bob and his family are coming here tonight..

pirata

Neither is correct, Bob is a bastard, and he and his family are getting nowhere near here !

@wobble. Why do you have such prejudice against men born out of wedlock?

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Where to JWs park their cars when going door-to-door?

by bradp in

jw
friends

i am a christian and have handed out tracts all over my neighborhood,.

i'm ready to go to a new neighborhood and am trying to determine where to park my car without it getting towed.. is there a jw publication available that covers this kind of info?

.

pirata

If you attend meetings regularly and sign up as a publisher, you can be eligible to recieve "Our Kingdom Ministy" which will answer questions like these and more.

You will also learn things like:

Don't discuss the bible in independent groups
Don't participate in sites such as this
Don't distribute or download non-approved Kingdom songs
Preach to men because we need more men
The rules for JW district conventions
What to say about the magazines
Why aren't you spending 70 hours a month in field service?

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Which sentence is correct? Are both sentences correct??

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

bob and his family is coming here tonight.

.

bob and his family are coming here tonight..

pirata

Or this one:

Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.

Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.

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No More Life Story

by Farkel in

for reasons i've stated in the window washers thread, i will not write and post any more about my life as a jw.. thank you, "yesidid.

" you're a real gem.. farkel.

pirata

Before I die I want to read your story. And with the end just around the corner, you better hurry up!

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No More Life Story

by Farkel in

for reasons i've stated in the window washers thread, i will not write and post any more about my life as a jw.. thank you, "yesidid.

" you're a real gem.. farkel.

pirata

:Where are you posting it? Freeminds?

I'm going to be discussing it in the next few days with friends of you and me. I'll tell when I decide.

Waiting patiently for your story...

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The Christian Onslaught

by satinka in

jw
friends

*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.

i have been wondering things like:.

hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.

pirata

That being said, I seem to recall seeing some "aggresive" atheists on this board as well who I'm sure have been just as offensive to Christians.

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The Christian Onslaught

by satinka in

jw
friends

*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.

i have been wondering things like:.

hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.

pirata

Yeah, I was getting POd a bit too last week at all the "you're going to hell if you don't worship the true way" stuff that was going on here. Now I just trying to ignore them.

That being said, I like the free exchange of ideas here from Christians, atheists and others. It's when people start to insist that they're right and push it on others, that it can get disrespectful.