Thanks to Botzwana for creating the thread. I had originally mentioned this as a minor point in another thread about pagan origin inconsistencies, but didn't dawn on me that it's a relativley new inconsistency. I only found it because I was bored one day, had the WT Library open, and typed in the first thing I saw, which was an 'umbrella' that was lying around.
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26If society UPHELD the pagan origins of umbrellas would the R and F obey?
by Botzwana inif the society said that umbrellas were indeed pagan, because their origins are, and you would be dfed if you used one do you think the rank and file would obey?
or do you think that would push them over the edge?
i can just see the wealthy witness woman you know, the real pretentious ones not going out when it rains etc..
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Weak JW Commits Suicide, Elders Reluctantly Have a Memorial at the Kingdom Hall
by OnTheWayOut inso my mother calls me on thanksgiving thursday and tells me about a fellow in her kh that i knew quite well.
he grew a beard years ago and stopped field recruiting, but kept going to the kh several times a month as his wife was still active.
the elders never really tried to show concern for his depression, but always bugged him about the beard.
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There was a brother in my hall who was depressed. He commented to me once that only I and another brother ever bothered to approach him at the meetings to talk (he was a bit shy so waited around for people to go up to him). Not too long after he committed suicide. All the brothers and sisters rallied together for his funeral talk. Fortunately the elders were understanding and willing to have the memorial. I rememer thinking though, if he had the same support before as he does now, he might still be here today.
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If society UPHELD the pagan origins of umbrellas would the R and F obey?
by Botzwana inif the society said that umbrellas were indeed pagan, because their origins are, and you would be dfed if you used one do you think the rank and file would obey?
or do you think that would push them over the edge?
i can just see the wealthy witness woman you know, the real pretentious ones not going out when it rains etc..
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2010 Partakers number is out!!!
by Hairyhegoat inhey here we go!!!.
they will need to buy some more crackers and cheap wine for next year now.
what are the borg going to concocked now to cover there ass with the number of morons going up again at the memorial 2010 ?.
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Maybe next year they'll poison the wine in order to force the start of the great tribulation with the few that survived.
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Gravitation and Electric Energy, Golden Age, August 17, 1932 [Repost]
by VM44 inthe sheer literal stupidity of clayton woodworth publishing this article in the golden age demands that it be reposted.. this article is in the "not even wrong" category!.
*** the golden age 1932 august 17, pp.707-710 ***.
gravitation and electric energy.
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pirata
Wow. That was insane. Maybe I'll use this for next family worship.
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If society UPHELD the pagan origins of umbrellas would the R and F obey?
by Botzwana inif the society said that umbrellas were indeed pagan, because their origins are, and you would be dfed if you used one do you think the rank and file would obey?
or do you think that would push them over the edge?
i can just see the wealthy witness woman you know, the real pretentious ones not going out when it rains etc..
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pirata
*** g03 7/22 pp. 18-19 “Don’t Forget Your Brolly!” ***
A Distinguished History
The first umbrellas evidently had nothing to do with rain. They were emblems of rank and honor, reserved for important people. Sculptures and paintings thousands of years old from Assyria, Egypt, Persia, and India show servants holding sunshades over rulers to protect them from the sun. In Assyria, only the king was allowed to have an umbrella.
Down through history the umbrella continued to represent power, especially in Asia. A ruler’s status increased according to the number of umbrellas he owned, as shown by a Burmese king who was called Lord of the Twenty-Four Umbrellas. Sometimes the number of tiers was important. The umbrella of the emperor of China had four tiers, and the king of Siam’s had seven or nine. Even today the umbrella remains a symbol of authority in some Oriental and African countries. Religious Umbrellas
Early in its history, the umbrella became associated with religion. The ancient Egyptians thought that the goddess Nut sheltered the whole earth with her body, just like an umbrella. So people walked under their own portable “roofs” to receive her protection. In India and China, people believed that an open umbrella represented the vault of heaven. Early Buddhists used it as a symbol for the Buddha, and domes of their monuments are often surmounted by umbrellas. Umbrellas feature in Hinduism too.
Umbrellas spread to Greece by 500 B.C.E., where they were carried over images of gods and goddesses at religious festivals. Athenian women had servants carry a sunshade over them, but few men would use such an object. From Greece the custom spread to Rome.
The Roman Catholic Church included the umbrella in its ceremonial regalia. The pope began to appear under a red and yellow striped silk model, while cardinals and bishops had violet or green versions. Basilicas to this day have a chair for the pope with an ombrellone, or umbrella, over it in the papal colors. The cardinal who acts as head of the church between the death of one pope and the election of the next also has an ombrellone as his personal emblem during that time. -
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JW's don't love Jehovah
by Mad Dawg inour actions, wants, and desires are determined by what we hold most precious.
we will sacrifice one thing for another depending how they rank on our personal totem pole.
i have a cousin that became a jw - which brought me to this board.
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pirata
Pirata, wearing his Apologist hat, says:
Last time I checked, a lot of Christians loved Jesus, but they weren't exactly commiting suicide so that they could be with him earlier.--what the heck? that makes no sense whatsoever.
Exactly. I defined love of Jesus as wanting to be with Jesus right now. Not everyone agrees with that definition of love.
Similarly, if you define love of Jehovah as wanting to be with him in heaven, not everyone is going to agree with that definition of love.
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JW's don't love Jehovah
by Mad Dawg inour actions, wants, and desires are determined by what we hold most precious.
we will sacrifice one thing for another depending how they rank on our personal totem pole.
i have a cousin that became a jw - which brought me to this board.
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Here's my apologist stance (since you were looking for one):
Last time I checked, a lot of Christians loved Jesus, but they weren't exactly commiting suicide so that they could be with him earlier.
The JW 'other sheep' believe that God's purpose for them is to be on the earth, so if they love God they'll want to be used how God sees fit.
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Question for witnesses who were married or intimate during their time in the religion
by kurtbethel ini don't want to get graphic with this and get this thread locked, so please don't go overboard with answers.. i was having a discussion with someone about the jw experience, and was wondering if, since "jehovah" is an important part of the religion, during the moments of intense passion in a relationship, would you yell out, "oh, jehovah!
oh, jehovah!".
seriously, would a witness do that?.
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Maybe they were doing a sexual practice discouraged upon by the Governing Body, so they were asking for forgiveness.
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Well, I just finished reading Crisis of Conscience thanks to IssacAustin!
by Botzwana ini couldn't put it down!
very informative.
i agreed with it all.
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Although I found a copy of CoC to read online, I ended up buying the PDFs of Coc and ISOC on commentary press website to show my thanks (and provide some support for Mrs. Franz). They're only $8 or so each.