Jehovah can change science, just like he can change immutable truths. He does not, however, appreciate it when others say immutable truths have changed, even if later Jehovah decides they were right and he was wrong. Anyone who claims immutable truths are wrong is an apostate and must therefore die at Armageddon. Even if Jehovah later changes his mind, they must still die at Armageddon, just to prove that they were wrong at the time. It should serve as a lesson about thinking about things too much.
MrMonroe
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Jehovah can change science...(when I asked my mom about 'Paradise')
by Joliette inme and mom was having a conversation over breakfast a few weeks ago, and she brought up the circuit assembly that she just the brothers warned about apostates and going on 'questionable' internet sites.
we started talking about heaven and 'the generation' change.
i told her how could a paradise happen when science prove otherwise.
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Australian Convention Pioneer family Experience - We found our vegetables in the gutter..why do they wanna be Martyrs?
by Witness 007 ina couple years ago district convention - a pioneer family with two kids explained how they had ran out of funds and had no dinner...as they turned the corner out witnessing they saw a vegetable truck had spilled some produce in the gutter and so "jehovah provided in our time of need..." i felt like yelling get a job you bum stop starving!!
not encouraging.
this week an elder with pnemonia discharges himself from hospital, promising to remain home...so he can go out preaching!
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MrMonroe
Fortuitous things happen to people, good and bad, every day of the year. When they happen to Witnesses it's a blessing from Jehovah.
I have known Witnesses who died in motor accidents, lost their money in failed investment schemes, had their houses wrecked by home invaders, suffered fires at their business, were diagnosed with cancer and ended up childless, miserable and renting their home in their old age because of being obedient to the society. How does that fit in to the belief in Jehovah's watchful oversight?
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WT Society's Paranoia Over Spiral Binding of Elder's Textbook - Crazy
by flipper inthis letter was sent as an addendum to the elders regarding their latest elders textbook.
i think you'll find this interesting and also disconcerting as well.. to all bodies of elders.
re: spiral binding of shepherding textbook.
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MrMonroe
The level of control is mind-boggling. It's an extension of the arbitrary rule-making that goes on at every level of the organization, with information on even the most trivial matters released on a strictly need-to-know basis. I guess it gives all these petty-minded elders an elevated sense of importance.
Still, I can look up the statutes and laws of my state, the detailed road rules, and read them and modify my behavior accordingly. It is very puzzling why the WTS would want to keep these simple procedural rules, which determined whether members are "approved" or "not approved", so secret.
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Australian Convention Pioneer family Experience - We found our vegetables in the gutter..why do they wanna be Martyrs?
by Witness 007 ina couple years ago district convention - a pioneer family with two kids explained how they had ran out of funds and had no dinner...as they turned the corner out witnessing they saw a vegetable truck had spilled some produce in the gutter and so "jehovah provided in our time of need..." i felt like yelling get a job you bum stop starving!!
not encouraging.
this week an elder with pnemonia discharges himself from hospital, promising to remain home...so he can go out preaching!
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When living in Brisbane I heard a fanciful tale about a Gold Coast pioneer couple buying a Porsche that was advertised for $100 after seeing it in the classifieds. A couple of years later, living in New Zealand, I heard the same story about an Auckland couple buying a Mercedes for $50 after seeing it advertised in the classifieds. It was an identical story, with only the minor details changed. As it turned out, the tale is an urban legend, which Snopes.com says dates back to at least 1948. Read it here. I have also heard the urban myth of the mysterious millionaire benefactor, related here, delivered breathlessly from the platform before the opening of the public talk in Brisbane, allegedly as an experience a brother heard in a letter.
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Why GB does not want couples to have children?
by faqs7719 ini was thinking the other day about this.
i guess you have seen many couples who have not had children.
the main reason given is that it is difficult to raise children in the last days.
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That's very funny. I remember an elder's wife recalling her shock at seeing a movie in which there was a lovemaking scene and the woman was .... wait for it ... on top. I mean, can you imagine it? How perverted is that? What kind of animalistic behavior is that?
I pity those poor Witnesses who have been shocked into submission by the Society about what they can and cannot do in their own beds with their own spouses. They fear that God is watching them with every move they make, and that the dutiful spouse will let the elders know if tongues or fingers drift into places where they ought not go.
A female friend (an ex-Witness) told of a conversation she'd had with another female friend (ex-Witness) who'd split from her dimwit JW husband and spent the night with a male friend she'd subsequently become attached to. She was simply gushing about the sheer sensuality of it and told my friend, "I had no idea sex could be so good." What had she been missing out on? And is her experience amplified a thousand-fold in every Witness grouping?
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Jehovah can change science...(when I asked my mom about 'Paradise')
by Joliette inme and mom was having a conversation over breakfast a few weeks ago, and she brought up the circuit assembly that she just the brothers warned about apostates and going on 'questionable' internet sites.
we started talking about heaven and 'the generation' change.
i told her how could a paradise happen when science prove otherwise.
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MrMonroe
Joliette, I'm afraid you're wrong. Jehovah sometimes decides to change his mind. For a while he thought "higher authorities" were governments, then he decided they weren't, and let the faithful and discreet slave know this. Then he thought again and had to let the FDS know that he'd gone back to square one.
He has also rethought the concepts of "generation", blood fractions, oral sex, alternative service for conscription, the last days, the separating of sheep and goats, the shutoff date for the heavenly calling ... and, to his great credit, has kept the slave class informed of his adjusted thoughts.
He WAS contemplating resetting the last days to begin in 1957, but rethought that; he let slip to SOME of the anointed a thought that the "other sheep" were just the Gentiles, but pulled back on that one and was a bit annoyed that those anointed went ahead and talked about it.
Look, Jehovah does change his mind, OK? And if he decides those immutable laws of science need to bend a bit when he wants, he'll do it. Bugger gravity. Bugger the consistency of time. Bugger tectonic plates. Bugger the dietary habits of carnivores. Bugger the consequences of, say, falling from a great height or swallowing arsenic in the new system.
I'm with your mum on this one. Like Roger Waters says, What God wants, God gets.
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Why GB does not want couples to have children?
by faqs7719 ini was thinking the other day about this.
i guess you have seen many couples who have not had children.
the main reason given is that it is difficult to raise children in the last days.
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MrMonroe
Designs, you didn't offer to do their dirty work for them? "Here I am, call me!"
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1951-1969 Awake PDFs!
by Atlantis innote: update 2017-08-07 - most of the links in this thread are long-dead so have been removed, please contact atlantis if you need these documents.. new files for the awakes from 1951-1956. credit goes to bereanbiblestudent.. 1951 awake, 1952 awake, 1953 awake, 1954 awake, 1955 awake, 1956 awake.
awake files posted in an earlier post.
credit goes to cabasilas:.
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MrMonroe
Thanks Atlantis. I've hunted for some of these in the past.
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New exJW Pamphlet to leave with Bible Studies
by jwfacts inrecently someone asked for a pamphlet to leave with a neighbour that started studying with jws.
i noticed that they was not a lot available, so have put together something.
please let me know your opinion and any errors.
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MrMonroe
Paul, it's excellent. From a huge source of material, you've chosen some very good quotes.
Two suggestions:
1. You have referred to the fate of born-ins who decide to quit, but not those who join as adults. If the intended audience of the pamphlet is people who are studying with the Witnesses (or being urged to do so) the pamphlet should make clear that once baptised, individuals must obey all dictates of the religion. Those who may later choose to leave and formally resign are shunned; those who simply cease association but breach the religion's rules on conduct may, even years later, subsequently be questioned by a judicial hearing and disfellowshipped and shunned.
That was never spelled out to me when I joined! It may come as a shock to prospective members that once they've joined -- as sociologist Andrew Holden has pointed out -- those who later choose to leave "are seldom allowed a dignified exit."
2. The reference to blood transfusions needs to say "... Witnesses die, having to refuse blood transfusions on the basis of the religion's interpretation of a scriptural admonition to avoid eating blood".
A few minor points: "Is this truth?": (a) I'm not sure the reference to the Witnesses being an "eschatological" religion means much. (b) "The Watchtower" is not a religion. (c) "What affect" should be "what effect".
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Why GB does not want couples to have children?
by faqs7719 ini was thinking the other day about this.
i guess you have seen many couples who have not had children.
the main reason given is that it is difficult to raise children in the last days.
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Money, sex .., you're all on the wrong track. My wife and I waited more than 10 years before having children and our focus changed immediately. Children introduced a complicating factor in our life that came between us and the org. Sick, tired or crying babies meant we were more inclined to miss meetings or walk out early, ditto for field service even as the kids grew older.
The birthday/Christmas issue suddenly developed a new focus and we began to question the justification for that doctrine. Having children to focus on meant we were dealing with the real world, real people outside the org, and the the JW thing retreated in importance. I think having children became an important step in our departure from the JWs.
I see other couples who, because they have no children, maintain that focus on the organization because they have nothing else in their lives. And I think that's what the society wants.