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  Millions now living will never die

  by stillin in

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  the word "now" has taken on new meaning.

  or is it the word "die?

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  MrMonroe

  Yes, some irony in that Rutherford, the writer of that book, was not one of those millions. Essentially they are selling the same message today, hoping that though it wasn't true then, it may be today.

  WT 4/15/2005: "Notice how Jesus expressed these two thoughts. When speaking to Martha about the resurrection of the dead, he said: “He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all.” All evidence shows that this “day” is very near, which means that you may “never die at all.”

  Jehovah's Witnesses might like to give some thought to an illustration in a November 1995 WT:

  "IMAGINE a weather forecaster whose predictions almost always come true. If he predicts on the evening news that it will rain the following day, you do not hesitate to take along your umbrella when you leave the house the next morning. His past record has won your confidence. You act on what he says."

  What would be the appropriate action for a JW who has watched more than a century of predictions by the WTS that have failed, one after another?
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  Victoria, Australia: Steven Unthank's Press Release: JW's Hierarchy Formally Charged Today With Child Abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses hierarchy charged.

  immediate press release: 26 july 2011. link to this press release: http://wp.me/p1g1hc-4o.

  worldwide church hierarchy charged with child abuse.

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  MrMonroe

  I don't see that he is trying to connect the two. He gave evidence at the judicial inquiry that happened to convene near his hometown and has more recently fulfilled his long-held ambition of having criminal charges laid against the organisation.

  You are correct that you are confused and that your assumption is untrue. I don't know who you refer to in saying "many here myself included" are confused. It's a matter of digesting clear information he has provided. Stop jumping to false conclusions.
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  Victoria, Australia: Steven Unthank's Press Release: JW's Hierarchy Formally Charged Today With Child Abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses hierarchy charged.

  immediate press release: 26 july 2011. link to this press release: http://wp.me/p1g1hc-4o.

  worldwide church hierarchy charged with child abuse.

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  MrMonroe

  BTW has anyone here personally met Mr Unthank in person?

  Why? Are you doubting his existence as well? I have already provided a link for the transcript of the judicial inquiry where he appeared.
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  JW directives you thought were downright stupid

  by fallen_princess in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

  i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

  of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

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  MrMonroe

  I was thinking, it's a kid's comic for crying out loud!

  SerenityNow, the expression "for crying out loud" is itself a "minced oath", an exclamation that is technically innocent but actually based on a curse ("For Christ's sake!")

  It's hard to get away from them! I remember giving a talk on the school once, based on the old TMS book, warning against using such words. I omitted to mention in the talk that at work, where no one knew of my secret religious cult membership, I swore like a f***ing trooper.
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  JW directives you thought were downright stupid

  by fallen_princess in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

  i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

  of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

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  MrMonroe

  Then there was the congregation that had a little musical ensemble playing the Kingdom Songs beside the stage. It was Brisbane, so in summer it was damn hot (if I might use the word "damn". Oh crap, I said "damn." Oh bugger, I said "crap.") One picky elder decided that since they were beside the stage, the male members of the band should wear jackets. Jehovah apparently doesn't like hearing music from people not wearing jackets.
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  JW directives you thought were downright stupid

  by fallen_princess in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

  i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

  of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

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  MrMonroe

  In one congregation I wouldn't be asked to give a prayer at a book study group unless I was wearing a jacket. I was an MS and went to a field service group one evening in summer. I walked in and they were all sitting there like headless chooks working out who was going to lead the group. A couple of them said, "Ah, here's Brother Monroe, he can do it!" ... and then someone else spoke up.

  "He can't do it, he's not wearing a jacket!" So he took the group, wearing his ochre-colored vinyl jacket straining at the buttons.

  I'd always thought I'd be disqualified from taking a field service group if I'd turned up without my pants, but a jacket? Until then I didn't realise how jackets trumped shirts in God's theocratic system.
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  Victoria, Australia: Steven Unthank's Press Release: JW's Hierarchy Formally Charged Today With Child Abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses hierarchy charged.

  immediate press release: 26 july 2011. link to this press release: http://wp.me/p1g1hc-4o.

  worldwide church hierarchy charged with child abuse.

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  MrMonroe

  I can't work out whether Curtains is a bit slow on the uptake or deliberately trying to mislead people to try to discredit Unthank. Let me put this as plainly as possible. Steven Unthank has:

  • Written a number of press releases (and a very long-winded treatise);
  • Appeared before a government inquiry to make submissions; and
  • Succeeded in laying private criminal prosecutions as an individual against a number of WTS entities.

  The inquiry continues, but he has finished his involvement with that. The criminal charges are yet to be heard in court.
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  Victoria, Australia: Steven Unthank's Press Release: JW's Hierarchy Formally Charged Today With Child Abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses hierarchy charged.

  immediate press release: 26 july 2011. link to this press release: http://wp.me/p1g1hc-4o.

  worldwide church hierarchy charged with child abuse.

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  MrMonroe

  Belbab, The link to the submission made by Steven Unthank is here. He appeared in flesh and blood at the inquiry's sitting in the Victorian town of Morwell on June 8. He spoke and the transcript of his submission are on a government website.

  The Herald Sun, published in Melbourne and one of Australia's biggest selling daily newspapers, publishes stories, not press releases. To find copies of stories printed in the Herald Sun, go to the newspaper's website here and type in "Unthank" in the search box at the top right.

  I used the term "apparently" in a sarcastic tone that I feared at the time would not be discerned by some people. You are clearly one of those people. Gary Botting, if the poster is the real Gary Botting, author of a couple of books on the religion, appears to be as incapable as you are at doing online research; if it's him, my level of respect for him has plummeted.

  You refer to the case as a house of cards. I have provided a link on a Victorian Justice Department website. Sorry there's no photo of the courthouse or the thumb print of the presiding magistrate. The case is listed for hearing as a criminal action on the day. Please don't insult my intelligence by continuing to suggest it's all a work of fiction, or some vast conspiracy.
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  Victoria, Australia: Steven Unthank's Press Release: JW's Hierarchy Formally Charged Today With Child Abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses hierarchy charged.

  immediate press release: 26 july 2011. link to this press release: http://wp.me/p1g1hc-4o.

  worldwide church hierarchy charged with child abuse.

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  MrMonroe

  Steve2: Sorry if I was ambiguous. I completely agree that allegations of past sex abuse are irrelevant. I was replying to an earlier statement about TV docos.

  The case is a charge that those organisations failed to gain WWC checks when they were required by law to do so. Proving the case means providing evidence that adults normally, or commonly, work with children unsupervised. That, to me, appears to be the difficulty when the defendants will probably deny everything.

  Gary Botting I think you're an idiot. See the Latrobe Magistrates Court criminal list for September 13 here.

  Transcripts of the judicial inquiry into Protecting Victoria's Vulnerable Children, at which the fictional Steven "Who" apparently gave evidence a couple of months ago at Morwell, are also available online.
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  Victoria, Australia: Steven Unthank's Press Release: JW's Hierarchy Formally Charged Today With Child Abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses hierarchy charged.

  immediate press release: 26 july 2011. link to this press release: http://wp.me/p1g1hc-4o.

  worldwide church hierarchy charged with child abuse.

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  MrMonroe

  More motives for non-compliance:

  1. In the event that someone failed a WWC check, would they have to report that to the elders, who would ensure they never are alone with a child?

  2. The Witnesses are God's people (!) They are doing a work ordained and commanded by God (!!) They do not need to be sullied by such a law that even hints that some members of the religion are untrustworthy.

  3. Being pressured by the government to comply with such an unnecessary that impugns their godly motives is further proof that they are being targeted by Satan and are therefore backed by God. If they become martyrs, that is even more proof of their godliness and a further proof that we are so close to the end.