3Mozzies, I threw most of my WTS literature out when I left. The sickening KMs were the first to go. Don't you do the same!
MrMonroe
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A rhetorical analysis of the Sept. KM Question Box
by Leolaia insome have pursued an independent group study of biblical hebrew and greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the new world translation.
they have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our christian meetings and through our literature.. throughout the earth, jehovah's people are receiving ample spiritual instruction and encouragement at congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions, as well as through the publications of jehovah's organization.
rather, the claim is implicit.
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The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
by cattails inif you had to guess what point of their teaching.
the governing body wants jws to really, really understand,.
24:45.. the comment highlights that because jesus "did not say that there would be a multitude of slaves scattered throughout the various sects of christendom.
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MrMonroe
Still to be determined, though, is the function of the FDS. Their number is growing by the year (11,200 now)and yet what do they do ... have conventions? Web forums? Newsletters? Video conferences? Do the female members of the FDS exercising their teaching authority and how? What translation services are provided to allow those people of "all languages" to communicate with one another? Since the GB describes itself as the "spokesman" and "representative" of the FDS, does it meet with those 11,200 to seek their guidance on how best to represent or speak for it?
The weird thing is that the FDS is one of the most central, core beliefs of JWs. And yet if one was to ask a JW calling at your door to explain what it is and how it works in providing that "divine direction" to the entire membership, what would they say?
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A rhetorical analysis of the Sept. KM Question Box
by Leolaia insome have pursued an independent group study of biblical hebrew and greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the new world translation.
they have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our christian meetings and through our literature.. throughout the earth, jehovah's people are receiving ample spiritual instruction and encouragement at congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions, as well as through the publications of jehovah's organization.
rather, the claim is implicit.
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MrMonroe
(Just posted this response accidentally at the transcript post)
Leolaia, that was an excellent piece of work. It's an eye-opener to -- as another poster said -- see plainly the carefully crafted wording employed in WTS publications that send out such powerful messages. To be honest, I couldn't finish reading the transcript of the meeting. Like others, it makes me feel .... yeah, sickened, but just tired, I guess. I used to answer a lot as well at meetings, and I suppose the intent of many of those doing so is to (a) put the WTS wording in your own words to show how well you've understood it and (b) notch it up a bit to show how even more spiritual you are. It's just sad that all those people at that meeting (and tens of thousands of identical meetings around the world) are just mimicking the words of the GB.
If someone was to utter the words of the QB answer at a board or committee meeting, how would normal people present react if someone, asked to comment, gushed in that same manner, oozing approval of that response? People would think, "Whose arse is he trying to crawl up?" and yet for the GB this is a regular experience, fostered by the whole notion of them being God's Channel TM where the rank and file fall over themselves to repeat and exaggerate their sickening, mind-control responses.
I have yet to be convinced the GB are evil. I believe they are unwitting dupes of their own elaborate religious fantasy. But if they were evil and they were deliberately setting out to control the minds of the rank and file, they would be insanely engorged with satisfaction over the way people relish beng hit over the head with a mallet. WHACK! "Yes please, brother. That felt good." WHACK! "Absolutely. I really deserved that one." WHACK! "Personally, I felt that last one was a bit on the soft side. Can you make the next one harder?"
Those poor, poor, Witnesses. They just don't realise what tragic puppets they are. And all of them are doing it because a religion told them they have to live like that to please God. Because that's the kind of guy God is. That's just sad. I am so glad I got out.
Thanks again.
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MrMonroe
(wrong thread)
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Will there be cars in the New System?
by laverite ingrowing up as a jw i always imagined the new system (tm) as being just like it's presented in the literature (tm).
i thought we'd all be hanging around with dorky looks on our faces, petting tigers and panda bears all day while we eat fruit and practice our dorky grins.. i've never seen a pic from the society (tm) showing cars or planes (or other forms of transport) in the literature (tm).
what did you imagine as far as transportation in the new system (tm)?
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MrMonroe
WE Van Amburgh's The Way to Paradise, (p223) quoted in Franz's Crisis of Conscience (p230) presents a wonderful Orwellian image of communication in the new world, with cars, radios which are used to transmit the views and instructions of the "princes" and very high speed aircraft that would take just hours to fly from one side of the world to the other.
When will this take place? 1925.
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Will there be cars in the New System?
by laverite ingrowing up as a jw i always imagined the new system (tm) as being just like it's presented in the literature (tm).
i thought we'd all be hanging around with dorky looks on our faces, petting tigers and panda bears all day while we eat fruit and practice our dorky grins.. i've never seen a pic from the society (tm) showing cars or planes (or other forms of transport) in the literature (tm).
what did you imagine as far as transportation in the new system (tm)?
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MrMonroe
There will be cars, but available only for the "princes", or elders. Their petrol will be paid by voluntary donations from the rank and file after a show of hands in favor at the hall. There will be no call for "no" votes and anyone who doesn't put up their hand will be stoned to death.
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what are the rewards for not being a witness any longer
by Curtains inif the carrot and stick aspect of being jehovahs witnesses upset you how do you reclaim your desire for reward?
i'm assumng that you all agree with me that feeling rewarded is a basic human desire.
how much effort do you think we should put into trying to make our lives rewarding?
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MrMonroe
Gathering information and arguments to prove I'm right and they're wrong. It's kind of satisfying to know that for all their smugness and judgmentalism, they're the losers and are wasting their lives on a religion that has no sound, logical basis after all ... they just don't know it.
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MrMonroe
Sorry, you'll have to speak up a bit. I missed that.
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Having the Circuit Oversear over for dinner...was it like a royal visit for you??
by Witness 007 ini rang a sister who i haven't spoken to for years who said "she couldn't talk since she was cooking for the c.o and his wife who have special dietary needs......was this like a royal visits at your cong and whats with the "we can't eat flour, or yeast" or blah blah blah!
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MrMonroe
Hey, we had COs whose wives had "special dietary needs" as well! Is it a prerequisite for being a CO or maybe it's just code for "When you cook for us, you do something SPECIAL!" Then there was God's dictator Alan Sigg (or "Sieg Heil!" as people called him) whose wife had a wonderfully uplifting life experience in the Aug 22 1987 Awake dealing her problem with excessive blood flow while she was out witnessing. Thanks, Lynette. Nice mental image.
We did have a really nice couple stay with us in Melbourne who, on Sunday afternoon, just came back and crashed and we watched the Beatles Anthology DVDs. I think they really tired of all the attention and the expectation placed on them. They hated having to generate conversation at the dinner table. I wonder if secretly they really hated being on the circuit .... or being in the friggin' religion at all.
I remember years ago one CO saying he groaned every time he went to some "dear sister's" home and she had quiche or some similarly rich egg dish, because he knew he'd be farting all afternoon.
Then there was a grumpy old sod, now departed, in Brisbane who would drone on and on at the meetings when he was there, overshooting the meeting time by a good half-hour if he was in the mood ... we were invited to dinner with him at an elder's place. The elder's prim little wife prepared dinner and then let everyone know it was ready .... dear old Ray the CO decided we could all eat when he was good and ready, 'cos he was a bit busy writing a letter or something.
I hated the way people fawned over them. I'd spent only a few months in one congregation and met the CO, who asked me what I thought of it. "Not very good," I said. "They all stick to themselves. No one seems very happy." He hurrumphed and said, "Well, that's not what I saw. Everyone seems very chatty and cheerful!" I just looked at him and wondered if he realised they all turned it on whenever he was there. Of course he'd be the bloody centre of attention when he was visiting!
Some were so fake. One pompous d**khead gave a pious speech on the Tuesday night and suggested that after the meeting children might like to take their notebooks to him to show him their notes of his talk. My kids went and showed him something they'd written down and he gave them a sticker without more than a glance at their notes or bothering to ask their names. It was all "Yeah, kid, now piss off." My kids just wandered away scratching their heads, thinking, "Why did I bother?" I'm sure he believed he was the kids' favorite and was really in touch with the "littlies".
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MrMonroe
An Aussie band in the late 1980s used an illustration from a WT pamphlet on an album cover. I was a bit surprised at the time, because I was new in the religion. I wish I'd held onto it now. It was instantly recognisable, but they were very much a low-rate band and barely rated a blip on the rock music radar.