No Stillsuck, they will say, you have made your personal choice and now we must shun you. By your actions you have breached one of our fundamental teachings and have therefore disassociated yourself.
MrMonroe
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JW spokesman: We refuse blood, but it's a personal choice
by MrMonroe indublin news story contains a blatant lie from the mouth of a jw spokesman:.
http://www.thejournal.ie/need-for-discussions-between-hospitals-and-jehovahs-witness-patients-234833-sep2011/.
a court order granted today to allow the coombe hospital give a baby a blood transfusion against the wishes of her parents underscores the need for more discussions to take place between hospital staff and patients, says a dublin branch of jehovahs witnesses.. harry homan, from the south dublin hospital liaison committee said that the issue highlighted the relationship between hospital staff and jehovahs witness patients.. he said, however, that there is already healthy discussions happening across the country.. the parents in this case are very happy with the hospital and the care being give to their baby, homan told thejournal.ie.. there is an excellent relationship between the parents and staff and the child is receiving the best of care.. he added that a blood transfusion will only be given to the premature baby as a last resort.. at the moment, she is doing well, said homan.. rte reports that the transfusion will be given to the baby if her condition deteriorates and it is necessary to save her life.. hospitals are acutely aware of the dangers associated with blood transfusions, claimed homan, adding that it is in everyones best interests to seek alternatives.. he said the position of jehovahs witnesses is perfectly clear on the matter of blood transfusions.. we do refuse transfusions, he said.
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December 1, 2011 Watchtower - I believe there may be some lying in here...
by sd-7 inour readers ask: will the earth survive 2012?.
page 10: "when will this occur?
no human knows.
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MrMonroe
The WTS rarely comes right out and announces it is doing a U-turn on doctrines. Its more common tactic is to slowly slip in new attitudes, which through the process of repetition gradually supplant the old ones.
I wonder if they're starting to do the same with this, and become more like the Seventh Day Adventists, who accept that Armageddon will come at some point, but make no attempt to pin it down.
But if they're becoming less doctrinaire, why are they stepping up their rhetoric against "apostates"?
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The Huffington Post has picked up the mentally diseased story!!!!
by discreetslave injust posted by vampire665 on facebook.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/28/jehovahs-witness-magazine_n_985479.html.
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MrMonroe
I wouldn't overstate the effect of these stories. To us on this forum, the JW leaders are a tyrannical bunch of liars who ruined our lives. To the media, and most newspaper readers/TV viewers the JWs are a very small and mildly irritating religion.
The stories may help to shake out some Witnesses who may already harbour doubts about the rationality of their leaders, and make them feel uncomfortable about remaining closely aligned with them. They may also make some people who atre contemplating baptism or home bible study to walk away from it. The key message in these stories needs to be that once you join, they will do everything they can to make it hard to leave, including name calling and organised shunning.
The stories help to chip away their support and keep the idea of "cult control" in the minds of casual readers. But the reality is the publicity isn't going to bring this religion to its knees.
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City Overseers discontinued immediately 9/16/11
by Gayle inletter dated 09/16/11 to all boes about city overseers being discontinued effective immediately.. this is from a very reliable jw anonymous source.. .
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MrMonroe
Designs, that's really funny. I'd forgotten abut that: in both New Zealand and here in Australia the circuit assemblies always did an announcement about how much i debt they were, and (in the early days at least) I'd feel guilty and put another lot of money in the box. You're saying they had distinct accounting methods to always ensure the circuit assembly fund was always in debt? Amazing.
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Elders as volunteers/ Shunning instructions
by Gladring inwas just checking the jw-media.org website and found this:.
http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article41.htm.
how we are organizedfollowing the model of first-century christianity, jehovahs witnesses have no clergy-laity division.
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MrMonroe
We recognise their right to leave. Then we will shun them and call them mentally diseased.
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Do you sense that the Watchtower will implode?
by AK - Jeff insince leaving the organization 8 years ago, there have been more significant changes in the actual, physical activities of the organization than occurred in all the 40 plus years i was 'in'.
bethel closings.
bethel layoffs.
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MrMonroe
Their control over elders and publishers is too strong to allow a splintering to occur. For any significant splinter group to form would require a freedom for members to express what they feel and gain the sense that there are others who share their view.
The threat of disfellowshipping for any who step out of line and challenge the authority and teaching of the GB is far too strong to allow any more than a handful to leave with the intention of starting something new. I just don't see it as feasible that people would be prepared to accept disfellowshipping, with all the shame and humiliation that entails, to join others, particularly when the level of rhetoric from the WTS against the "rebels" would skyrocket.
Could it implode? I just can't see it. The movement has a momentum all its own, fuelled by the myth of divine authority and the fear of expulsion and eternal damnation. It also has its own centre of gravity that keeps pulling members (and recruiits) towards it. Few of those ever stop to examine the logic and teachings of the organisation, and because they're not allowed to read or hear criticism, they have no yardstick by which to judge it.
The internet and media exposure will cause some to drift towards the edge and leave, but the machine will keep rolling on.
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Which songs/Albums were considered "Demonic" in your Congregation...did you toss some?
by Witness 007 in"hotel california" was considered a major demonic song.
ac/dc stood for anti-christ devils children....{not according to the band} kiss stood for knight s in satans service {not according to the band} anyone else have to toss albums?.
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MrMonroe
Hotel California and Stairway to Heaven for sure. I had a JW in the back of my car once who asked me take out a cassette that was playing a Smiths song, "This Charming Man," it may have been, which included the line "the devil finds work for idle hands." I told him even Kingdom Songs mention the devil.
I chose to stop playing "Blasphemous Rumours" by Depeche Mode; a wonderful song, but it contained what I thought was pretty horrible statements about God. I suppose I still feel a bit uneasy about it, though I play it now.
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Brooklyn residents not sad to see the back of JWs
by Mickey mouse inhttp://www.observer.com/2011/09/all-along-the-watchtower/.
all along, the watchtower: can i get a jehovahs witness?
in brooklyn heights, probably not .
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MrMonroe
One more prick to the bubble of their fantasy that people just looooove Jehovah's Witnesses in their neighbourhood because they're so law-abiding and upstanding. Collectively, they are self-centered, self-obsessed people who give very little to any community they're a part of ... because they insist theyre not really part of a community.
JWs never volunteer for community, school, or public duties. They won't take part in union activities or community protests. They give nothing because (a) they are taught to hold "the world" in contempt, (b) they are kept so busy with the demands of their own religion, which makes huge demands on their tie and (c) they worry that they'll be criticised from within their cult if they do interact too much with the "world".
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Overlapping generation segment on the new Circuit Assembly program
by traveb inso there i was at the circuit assembly sunday morning with my eyes glazed over as usual when all of a sudden, bam!
a demo with two brothers talking about the new overlapping generation teaching.
the reason it took me by surprise was because it occured during the second talk of the sunday morning symposium, "sanctify god's name by your speech".
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MrMonroe
@Drewcoul, yeah, I love that closing comment ... "It makes it more clear, but I need to do more research." Uh, so is it clear or not? Did that discussion of Fred Franz living nearly 100 years actually explain it or not? And where will you do your research? Admit it, mate, it just can't be understood. And why?
2:01 on the audio: "We have to readjust our understanding of what a generation is." And why do they have to readjust? Simple: because the previous "understanding" meant that those who had formed that generation were now at least 107 years old, and so the doctrine was therefore proved WRONG.
The "old understanding" was actually pretty clear, and it made sense in a Watchtower way. "The generation that saw the events of 1914 will not pass away before Armageddon comes." That's clear enough. But when the passing of time makes it clear that the doctrine was WRONG, they need to face facts and say, "Hey, we goofed. If Jesus was talking about a generation alive at the time of Armageddon, then tying it in with the 1914 date was clearly WRONG. If we got that WRONG then we probably got a lot of other stuff WRONG."
But they're too proud to admit they're WRONG. Instead of dismantling their doctrine, they have decided to redefine a fairly basic English word and then force that to fit their doctrine. They can talk all they like at conventions about the lives of old anointed men overlapping the lives of young anointed men. But sorry, that doesn't make them one generation, and anyone with half a brain knows that. I am not the same generation as my grandfather even though were were both alive together for all of the 1960s.
That presentation had excellent actors, but I doubt even they believe it.
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JWTalk forum
by MrMonroe ini can't get into that last thread about what's happening on jwtalk.net.
and you obviously need a password to get into their forum.. what's the general tenor of the discussion?.
i'm interested in another thread there as well, in which someone has asked about the reliability of jw articles on wikipedia.
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MrMonroe
I can't get into that last thread about what's happening on JWtalk.net. And you obviously need a password to get into their forum.
What's the general tenor of the discussion?
I'm interested in another thread there as well, in which someone has asked about the reliability of JW articles on Wikipedia. Damned right the main ones are treliable. They contain info you'll never find in a WTS publication.