Palmtree, you are quite welcome and I want to thank Stephen [Chalam], for always informative posts. Thanks Steve.'
dc
Posts by TTWSYF
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508Most-Ignored Scriptures by JWs
by Mad Sweeney inthe watchtower has been known for over 130 years as a great scriptural cherry-picker.
they pick out disparate unrelated verses and combine them to support the wackiest of wacky doctrines.. on the other hand there are many scriptures they almost never address, whether because they contradict wt doctrine or because they simply don't have a clue what they mean or how to spin them to the wt advantage.. one of these is revelation 19:1 that mentions a "great crowd" "in heaven.
" the only time it is ever brought up it is dismissed.
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Most-Ignored Scriptures by JWs
by Mad Sweeney inthe watchtower has been known for over 130 years as a great scriptural cherry-picker.
they pick out disparate unrelated verses and combine them to support the wackiest of wacky doctrines.. on the other hand there are many scriptures they almost never address, whether because they contradict wt doctrine or because they simply don't have a clue what they mean or how to spin them to the wt advantage.. one of these is revelation 19:1 that mentions a "great crowd" "in heaven.
" the only time it is ever brought up it is dismissed.
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MadJW wrote- I have spent 40 years intensly studying different translations, and the Bible's background- and ALWAYS prove our NWT true to any who give any example they feel wrong! I FOCUS on the Hebrew and/or Greek, the context, and the others connected scriptures- always LOOKING to see if what I have seen to be True ISN'T.
If you feel me wrong- give one example at a time, so we can look at it closely!
Mad JW- Are you familair with the scripture that says 'always learning, but never getting accurate knowledge'? The obvious answer to your question is answered by the fact that no other organization or school of theology recognizes the NWT as an accurate, scholarly, untampered interpretation.
I don't want to get to technical here, cause folks won't read things that are too lengthy, so let me just pick one example ..ok?
ego eimi = I am. That is first week of Greek school you learn that. I am, I will, he is, she is, he will, she will, etc etc. John chap8:verse58 correctly translated has Jesus quoted 'before Abraham came to be, I AM' The Watchtower NWT changes the scripture to read 'before Abraham came into existence, I have been'
That is a change by the Watchtower to cover up Jesus's use of the 'I AM' title used by God in Exodus 3:14. In the Greek Septuagint the Watchtower interprets ego eimi as I am in Exodus 3 :14. In the gospel of John, the Watchtower interprets ego eimi as 'I am 'everytime except John 3;16.
Pretty clear cut and dry, don't cha think? You're a thinker, right?
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Well, why not start with something SIMPLE? heh
Is there REALLY a God? Or is it just the Imagination?
Good questions MJW! That's where faith comes in, right?
Personally, I'm a Christian, so I believe in God. I have a conscience and an awareness that no other [visible] creature on earth has.
I have also had very personal experiences that have confirmed that fact to me. Others, I imagine, have had the same.
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Is this Watchtower "trickery"?
by hubert ini had an appointment at the v.a.
hospital this morning.
while in the waiting room, i saw a watchtower brochure, so i picked it up, and put it in my pocket, so no one could read this trash.. when i got home, i looked it over for any good tidbits, and discovered a "quote" from the w.t.
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you want real trickery? You need not get too technical
Topic - Soul
Soul = nephesh in Hebrew and Soul = psuche` in Greek. These 2 words appear some 900 times in the course of the old and new testaments. They have quite a wide range of meanings throughout the bible. Only someone in a cult could believe that you could sum up the soul in one bible verse......hello Eccl 9;5
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Some are thinkers, others are drinkers....of the koolaid
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I read CofC this week on holiday...life changing stuff!
by Lozhasleft inhi everyone...thank you for all your well wishes for my scottish hols...it was nice..warm dry weather...lovely scenery...a good rest... what i will remember the most about the holiday is that i read ray franz's book there...in fact i struggled to put it down.
it was so revealing and informative but was also written without bitterness or malice.
it stirred many emotions within me ...too many probably...anger, remorse, indignation, sorrow, heartbreak, frustration, sympathy....you name it.... a big emotional journey for me....thanks to all for the recommend i would hate to have missed it..... loz x.
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Why, the cathicism of th Catholic church...of course.
Why is it interesting/helpful/good?
It is interesting because you see how the traditions were set with their scriptural examples. Helpful in getting an education on what the Catholic church really teaches instead of the propaganda against the Church. Good? Good for learning the truth of the Church's teachings instead of reading quotes out of context. I feel terrible when I read that a former JW has given up their Christian faith because of the lies that the Watchtower promotes. Then that same ex JW feels like there is no where else to go. Don't give up your faith, just learn it better. I have yet to meet an ex Catholic who converted to Jehovah witnesses that was a good Catholic. They all had no true education in their faith and could not defend it against the seemingly scholarly proofs that JWs are trained in throwing. Any current JWs who are ex Catholics have an opposing opinion? Just curious. respectively, dc
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Oklahomans shaken by crucifix that raises the stake issue
by glenster inback to the god and godzilla difference:.
"some worshipers at a catholic church in oklahoma are outraged over a. crucifix hanging above the main altar that they say shows an image of.
genitalia on jesus, the oklahoman reports.".
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Doncha think He might hold such things against you?
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Most-Ignored Scriptures by JWs
by Mad Sweeney inthe watchtower has been known for over 130 years as a great scriptural cherry-picker.
they pick out disparate unrelated verses and combine them to support the wackiest of wacky doctrines.. on the other hand there are many scriptures they almost never address, whether because they contradict wt doctrine or because they simply don't have a clue what they mean or how to spin them to the wt advantage.. one of these is revelation 19:1 that mentions a "great crowd" "in heaven.
" the only time it is ever brought up it is dismissed.
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Mad JW . I do not believe that I am way off. I am only stating facts. Bold scripture that you can't deny if you're a true Christian....a Christian believes the bible, right? If you follow Watchtower teachings then this should look familiar
Taking verses out of their immediate context.
Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context.
Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
Changing the meanings of words.
Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
Adding to the Word of God.
Just some of the issue that true Christians have with the Watchtower's tactics and interpretations.
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I'm Jealous of........
by cantleave in....... themadjw.
his threads generate so many responses .
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I'm jealous of the good thief. Today he is in paradise with Jesus.
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Most-Ignored Scriptures by JWs
by Mad Sweeney inthe watchtower has been known for over 130 years as a great scriptural cherry-picker.
they pick out disparate unrelated verses and combine them to support the wackiest of wacky doctrines.. on the other hand there are many scriptures they almost never address, whether because they contradict wt doctrine or because they simply don't have a clue what they mean or how to spin them to the wt advantage.. one of these is revelation 19:1 that mentions a "great crowd" "in heaven.
" the only time it is ever brought up it is dismissed.
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the mad JW wrote
Post 76 of 160
Since 9/13/2009PS- Jesus has the position ("Voice") of Archangel; he didn't take it away from someone else. There is God, angels/messengers, and man. Jesus is NOT the Almighty, thus is a mighty spirit being...an ANGEL- the greatest of them all (Heb 1:9)
I disagree MJW. Your position here is unscriptural. Jesus speaks with the voice of a messenger [angel=messeger in greek] and Jesus can rightly be said to have proclaimed his father's will. To say he has the position of angel because he spoke in an angels voice is to say that the burning bush was just a burning bush and not God speaking to Moses. The JW faith is based on lies. I'm very sorry, but the only way one could believe all the bs is to be prohibited from reading the truth from accredited, scholarly sources. The whole faith is from a man who didn't like what was taught, so he made up his own faith.
- A founder who was never settled in another faith, but created an organization based on his own beliefs.
- A founder who made a decision that he did not wish to believe in a literal hell, and created a religious organization and doctrine that satisfied his own requirement.
- A founder who had pre-determined doctrines and then claimed that those doctrines were the same as God's word.
- A founder or leadership who claim that they are restoring that which was lost through apostasy. Everyone had become apostate except themselves.
- A founder or leadership who declare that their organization is the only way to God.
- A founder or leadership who say the Bible is corrupt and must be retranslated or rewritten, but cannot provide any proof or verification to back the claim.
- A founder and leadership who claim the Bible cannot be understood by itself, but must be studied in conjunction with the explanation which he or the organization writes.
- A founder and leadership who lie about previous teachings.
- An organization that claims to provide a translation of the Bible, but ignore all scholarship that deny the veracity of their translation, and claim that they have the only correct version. They present a redaction of the Bible instead of a translation.
- An organization that only changes words in the Bible to make them agree with its pre- determined doctrines, but does not change words that do not affect those doctrines.
- A founder or leadership that claims divine authority but presents no credentials verifying that authority.
- A founder and leadership who prophesy falsely.
The Jehovah's Witness who does just a little basic research with an open mind will discover that their beliefs are based on an irrational adherence to doctrines that have no basis in reality, and have no basis in the Bible.
respectively,dc