Posts by TTWSYF

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How big is apostasy?

by Knowsnothing in

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in the short time i've lurked and been on here, i've seen a couple of new people join, and tell their experiences.

my question is, how big is apostasy in numbers?

could we take a rough guess?

Is "Lying for the Truth" a real expression among JW's or just something apostates or worldlies made up?

by InterestedOne in

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although i've read some of the "theocratic war strategy" articles, etc., i have heard some on here use the expression "lying for the truth.

" is that an expression jw's say among themselves?

also, does it appear in an article anywhere?.

My experiences with JWs [at the door] is that the lies come within the first few moments. And I'm not talking about withholding that they are JWs, I mean blatant lies like 'Jesus never told Peter that he was the rock that he'd build his Church on' or 'Peter wasn't a pope [the pope, bishop of Rome, etc].

Now if you do not have the knowledge of the scriptures and someone comes to your door with books and a bible and throws out some randon scriptural references, you would maybe tend to believe them, otherwise, how could so many former Catholics/Protestants be JWs? The more informed one is on the Church, the scriptures, and the early Christain writers, the more the lies stand out and thus WTS credibility crumbles.

respectfully,

dc

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Is "Lying for the Truth" a real expression among JW's or just something apostates or worldlies made up?

by InterestedOne in

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although i've read some of the "theocratic war strategy" articles, etc., i have heard some on here use the expression "lying for the truth.

" is that an expression jw's say among themselves?

also, does it appear in an article anywhere?.

TTWSYF

Interested One, if you wanna see an example of 'lying for the truth' there are many sources to choose from, but I doubt you would find the term in any Watchtower or Awake.

A big example of 'lying for the truth' [to me anyway] is the booklet 'Should you believe in the Trinity?'

Numerous quotes are taken out of context and no footnotes are ever produced. The booklet speaks highly of these early christain writers. When referencing the Early Church Fathers they site [6] early writers-Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen, Hippolytus, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian - all portrayed as being against Jesus's divinity.

The reality is that everyone of these men affirmed that Jesus was God. Several even gave detailed teachings and explainations about the Trinity.

And according to Jason Evert ['Answering Jehovah's Witnesses' pg 62, 2001- Catholic Answers, inc] 'it is also significant that Ignatius of Antioch (the apostle John's own disciple) is omitted from the list, for his letters refer seven times to Jesus as God'

Is that an example of 'Lying for the Truth?'

dc

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Lying for 'The Truth'?

by TTWSYF in

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my bro introduced me to a concept called 'lying for the truth'.

is that actually something that the watchtower promotes?

talk about a contridiction, i didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so.

TTWSYF

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Is "Lying for the Truth" a real expression among JW's or just something apostates or worldlies made up?

by InterestedOne in

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friends

although i've read some of the "theocratic war strategy" articles, etc., i have heard some on here use the expression "lying for the truth.

" is that an expression jw's say among themselves?

also, does it appear in an article anywhere?.

TTWSYF

I often refer to lying for the' TRUTH ' tm as that was what my JW brother told me was the term used amongst themselves. He regretted it the moment he let it slip for obvious reasons.

I started a post about it a year ago or so and I couldn't believe the amount of people who came to it's defense. People likened it to a government that lied to it's people to keep panic down or to not give the enemy the right info in order to protect itself and other such nonsense.

Really, what legitimate organization, [business or religion] could have 'lying for the truth' as an operating proceedure?

dc

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Watchtower - simple doctrine for simple people

by jwfacts in

i know there are some intelligent witnesses that really research their beliefs, but the more i learn, the simpler and more ignorant watchtower doctrine appears.

that opinion is certainly not helped by some of the apologists that appear on this site.

most watchtower doctrine is a product of the black and white syndrome, where all the obvious shades of grey in between are simply ignored with statements such as "wait on jehovah".

TTWSYF

My brother doesn't even want to comprehend common sense in his dealings with his old faith [The Church] with his JW faith.

Example - He says 'The Catholics changed so many things hundreds of years ago!'

rebuttal - 'Where is the proof in that statement? Look at the Watchtower's short history. The WTS disregards it's own teachings from 75 years ago. Half of it's teachings are disregarded as an embarrassment that JWs ignore'

End of conversation at that point. He just will not move forward from what is told to him by the WTS. It makes no difference to him that he just keeps lying....lying for the 'TRUTH' tm

respectfully,

dc

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Increase in demon activity?

by Igot2bme in

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when i first started studying i was told that i would notice that the demons would try to stop me from recieving accurate bible knowledge.

well i never really witnessed anything unusual like objects flying through the air, bleeding walls, increased nightmares or something of that nature.

almost all the people that i know who have become baptized have a story or two about this having happened to them.

TTWSYF

The fear of demons is just another control measure implemented by the WTS.

When your common sense tells you that things here are not right, the WTS will tell you that it's Satan and his demons trying to take you back to the world. Be fearful of Satan, afterall, doesn't the bible say that Satan is the evil god of this world?

Of course, the bible say no such thing as to fear demons or Satan or anyone other than the Lord our God. Scripture mearly warns us to watch out for the devils' snares.

Fear him who can kill the body and the soul. Yes, I'm certain that I read that in the bible somewhere.

respectfully,

dc

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John 1:1

by Ding in

most the nwt translates john 1:1 as "... and the word was a god," not "...and the word was god.".

the reason they give is that the word theos doesn't have the definite article in front of it in the greek.. in his 1982 book, "the jehovah's witness' new testament," greek scholar robert countess looked up all such occurrences in the nt (theos without the definite article) and checked the nwt.. he discovered that the wts only followed their stated rule 6% of the time.. 94% of the time, they translated it "god" anyway!.

TTWSYF

In the beginning, the Word already existed or the Word was. That to me reads taht the Word was there before the beginning because that's what the bible says.

If the Word was 'a god', then what kind of god was the word?

Scripture is quite clear that there is One God and all other gods are false. What kind of god is the Word?

I say 'True God'

respectfully,

dc

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New World Translation, is it the best bible translation?

by littlebuddy in

my jw elder friend said to me that the nwt is the best translation of the bible and that scholars have said as much.

is this true and is it the best?

are there scholars who disagree?.

TTWSYF

Aside from the altered renderings of many scriptural verses, the NWT is just a pain to read. It does not flow and make some things appear different than the writers intended.

Quick example of altered texts

Romans 9;5 - {of the Jewish race,} according to the flesh, is Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever.

Romans 9;5 of the NWT - Christ [sprang] according to the flesh: God, who is over all [be] blessed forever.

Which one is correct? Check with the interliniar.

How about reading it? Quick example of a lack of flow.

1st Psalm reads 'Blessed is the man who walks not in the cousel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.

1st Psalm NWT reads ' 1 Happy is the man that has not walked in the counsel of the wicked ones,
And in the way of sinners has not stood,
And in the seat of ridiculers has not sat. 2 But his delight is in the law of Jehovah,
And in his law he reads in an undertone day and night.

Reads in an undertone day and night? That sounds like something you wouldn't want to do, doesn't it?

And to answer another point brought up, the answer is NO. No other group or organization uses or endorses the NWT as an accurate rendering of the Holy Scriptures. At least, I don't know of any other group.

respectfully,

dc

1 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers;
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.	2 but his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.

1 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers;
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.	2 but his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.

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How to get baptised properly....

by strymeckirules in

who today is elegible to baptise others?

i want to get baptised.

but i don't know who is doing it properly now a days.. i thought the jdubs were the correct baptisers, but research showed that the jdubs baptise you to an organization, not to god.. i hated the questions, the time period it took to qualify and the whole bunch of crap.. .

TTWSYF

Looking at the scripture discribing Jesus's baptism, one could think that you should be over 30 yrs old like Jesus was,......but further scriptural reading would lead one to realize that , he [Jesus] instructed his apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Jesus was not baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost. When the apostles went out baptizing, [in the Acts of the apostles] they would baptize entire families and housholds and would not require anyone to be 'educated' on the practices and traditions of the apostles.

The JW way of baptizing seems quite different than the scriptural instructions received from Jesus and the scriptures. You may want to read what the bible says about baptisms and find a church that follows what the 1st Christians taught and practiced.

respectfully,

dc