Posts by TTWSYF

My experiences with JWs [at the door] is that the lies come within the first few moments. And I'm not talking about withholding that they are JWs, I mean blatant lies like 'Jesus never told Peter that he was the rock that he'd build his Church on' or 'Peter wasn't a pope [the pope, bishop of Rome, etc].

Now if you do not have the knowledge of the scriptures and someone comes to your door with books and a bible and throws out some randon scriptural references, you would maybe tend to believe them, otherwise, how could so many former Catholics/Protestants be JWs? The more informed one is on the Church, the scriptures, and the early Christain writers, the more the lies stand out and thus WTS credibility crumbles.

respectfully,

dc

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Is "Lying for the Truth" a real expression among JW's or just something apostates or worldlies made up?

by InterestedOne in

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although i've read some of the "theocratic war strategy" articles, etc., i have heard some on here use the expression "lying for the truth.

" is that an expression jw's say among themselves?

also, does it appear in an article anywhere?.

TTWSYF

Interested One, if you wanna see an example of 'lying for the truth' there are many sources to choose from, but I doubt you would find the term in any Watchtower or Awake.

A big example of 'lying for the truth' [to me anyway] is the booklet 'Should you believe in the Trinity?'

Numerous quotes are taken out of context and no footnotes are ever produced. The booklet speaks highly of these early christain writers. When referencing the Early Church Fathers they site [6] early writers-Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen, Hippolytus, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian - all portrayed as being against Jesus's divinity.

The reality is that everyone of these men affirmed that Jesus was God. Several even gave detailed teachings and explainations about the Trinity.

And according to Jason Evert ['Answering Jehovah's Witnesses' pg 62, 2001- Catholic Answers, inc] 'it is also significant that Ignatius of Antioch (the apostle John's own disciple) is omitted from the list, for his letters refer seven times to Jesus as God'

Is that an example of 'Lying for the Truth?'

dc

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Lying for 'The Truth'?

by TTWSYF in

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my bro introduced me to a concept called 'lying for the truth'.

is that actually something that the watchtower promotes?

talk about a contridiction, i didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so.

TTWSYF

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Is "Lying for the Truth" a real expression among JW's or just something apostates or worldlies made up?

by InterestedOne in

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friends

although i've read some of the "theocratic war strategy" articles, etc., i have heard some on here use the expression "lying for the truth.

" is that an expression jw's say among themselves?

also, does it appear in an article anywhere?.

TTWSYF

I often refer to lying for the' TRUTH ' tm as that was what my JW brother told me was the term used amongst themselves. He regretted it the moment he let it slip for obvious reasons.

I started a post about it a year ago or so and I couldn't believe the amount of people who came to it's defense. People likened it to a government that lied to it's people to keep panic down or to not give the enemy the right info in order to protect itself and other such nonsense.

Really, what legitimate organization, [business or religion] could have 'lying for the truth' as an operating proceedure?

dc

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Watchtower - simple doctrine for simple people

by jwfacts in

i know there are some intelligent witnesses that really research their beliefs, but the more i learn, the simpler and more ignorant watchtower doctrine appears.

that opinion is certainly not helped by some of the apologists that appear on this site.

most watchtower doctrine is a product of the black and white syndrome, where all the obvious shades of grey in between are simply ignored with statements such as "wait on jehovah".

TTWSYF

My brother doesn't even want to comprehend common sense in his dealings with his old faith [The Church] with his JW faith.

Example - He says 'The Catholics changed so many things hundreds of years ago!'

rebuttal - 'Where is the proof in that statement? Look at the Watchtower's short history. The WTS disregards it's own teachings from 75 years ago. Half of it's teachings are disregarded as an embarrassment that JWs ignore'

End of conversation at that point. He just will not move forward from what is told to him by the WTS. It makes no difference to him that he just keeps lying....lying for the 'TRUTH' tm

respectfully,

dc