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  The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.

  by whereami in

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  gotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

  ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.

  it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.

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  Great posts everybody! Tammy, you in particular. For my part, I have not tried to offend anyone with my posts, so if it happened,,,sorry.

  Also, although I believe in the Trinity, I am not trying to make anyone else believe it. I've 'lurked' on this topic for several pages before posting any comments. I only wanted to show that scripture describes the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost [Spirit] as all having the attributes of God. [creation of heavens and earth, forgives sins, gives eternal life, worthy of worship, etc, etc] All of this IS in the bible.

  It is also worth noting that the scriptures also show the 'personage' [personage? Is that even a word??]...ahem, the personage of the Holy Spirit. For example, the Holy Spirit is often called 'he'. He [the Holy Ghost] can be lied to [acts 5;3] , can speak [Acts10;19] , hear [john 16;13-15], teach[john 14;26], pray and intercede [rom 8;26], love [rom 15;30], guide [john 16;13], call [acts 13;2], be grieved [eph 4;30], feel hurt [is 63;10], be outraged [heb 10;29]. These are examples of the attributes of a person. What 'active force' could feel hurt and be outraged?

  I also do not believe that you need a full understanding of the Trinity to be saved. I never wrote that. Scripture says that we are saved by the GRACE of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Men MUST go through Jesus to reach God. Amen?

  respectfully,

  dc
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  So if God didn't mean a literal day when he said "Day," doesn't that mean the NWT isn't the most accurate translation?

  by Pika_Chu in

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  if the hebrew word rendered "day" has multiple meanings, why was the most accurate translation of the word not used?

  why doesn't it say "eons" in the nwt?

  if god really meant to say "eons," why didn't he make sure it said "eons" instead of days.

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  Now, compare that to the bible.

  The Doctor (Jehovah) gives you the perscription (the bible)

  you take it to the Governing Body mouthpiece and they interpret it for you in the publications (the pills)

  You take the publications house to house. You don't get better. You get worse.

  You are DF'd. You suddenly get better.

  hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  Great zing Terry!
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  The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.

  by whereami in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  gotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

  ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.

  it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.

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  ohtaa-

  Essence and Substance in the time of Aristotle and Socrates............

  Designs- could you please be specific? I've read these comments from you before and you never give specific examples. I have no time to read through all of Aristotle and Socrates's extensive writtings. Can you please spell it out for us using phrases and pages?

  Another scriptural [proof] text supporting that the Holy Ghost is God is in Mark 3;29 when the Holy Ghost is blasphemed.....Only God can be blasphemed, not an 'active force'.

  respectfully,

  dc
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  The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.

  by whereami in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  gotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

  ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.

  it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.

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  Come on Designs, How about a specific example, after all, I should be able to drive a car through your examples, right?

  Others have given scriptural examples, how about you?

  respectfully,

  dc
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  The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.

  by whereami in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  gotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

  ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.

  it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.

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  It is not a matter of not understanding the doctrine, that's simple enough its the holes you can drive a car through that show it was just an invention by the Greek Bishops.

  Designs, Any proof to that statement?
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  So if God didn't mean a literal day when he said "Day," doesn't that mean the NWT isn't the most accurate translation?

  by Pika_Chu in

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  if the hebrew word rendered "day" has multiple meanings, why was the most accurate translation of the word not used?

  why doesn't it say "eons" in the nwt?

  if god really meant to say "eons," why didn't he make sure it said "eons" instead of days.

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  Who knows how long a day is in God's mind? Time is more of a human thing as we cannot grasp the concept of being 'out of time'. We cannot understand the concept of not having a beginning.

  Like that line from the last Matrix 'everything that has a beginning Neo, has an end'

  There is no such thing with God.

  To discredit the 'accuracy' of the NWT, you need only to open your KIT [interliniar] and compare Col 1;16-17, John 8;58, Heb 1;6, Math 26;26, Mark 14;22, Luke 22;19, etc, etc.

  The point that I'm making is that ........

  YOU"RE RIGHT. THE NWT ISN"T VERY GOOD!!!

  dc
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  The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.

  by whereami in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  gotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

  ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.

  it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.

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  One trouble with the Trinity is the word 'Trinity'. It conjours up the association of paganism because of the word 'trinity'.

  Trinity [the actual word] is not in the bible anywhere. fact.

  The Trinity was not explicitly understood/explained until after the scriptures were written. fact.

  Scripture indicates that there is a Trinity of beings who have the glory and power of God? fact. Some scriptural examples follow.

  God raised Jesus from the dead, right? [gal1;1 says the Father raised Jesus, Romans 8;11 says the Holy Ghost raised Jesus, John 10;17-18 says that Jesus raised himself]

  God dwells in believers [1cor 3;16-17] say the Father dwells in believers, [Romans 8;9] says that the Holy Ghost dwells in believers, [John 14;18] says that Jesus dwells in believers.

  The Father searches the hearts and minds [Jer 17;10], The Holy Ghost searches the hearts and minds [1cor 2;10], Jesus searches the hearts and minds [Rev 2;23]

  The Father gives us the words to speak [Math 10;19-20] Jesus gives us the words to speak [Luke 21;14-15] The Hoy Ghost gives us the words to speak [John 14;26]

  Jesus commanded to be baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost [one name, 3 beings]

  The only way to absorb the fullness of all scripture, without contridiction, is to acknowledge that there is more to God than we can understand and furthermore, this 'progressive revelation' of the nature of God will continue as it has since humanilty had first cried to God.

  Just mho.

  respectfully,

  dc
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  Watchtower -

  by jwfacts in

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  Homeschooling and JW children

  by Pams girl in

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  how many jw kids are homeschooled where you are?

  its not very common here in the borough where i live.

  i just found out on the grapevine that a girl i know is taking her kids out of our very good primary school because she feels the other children are having such a bad influence on her kids.

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  My brother and sister in law home schooled thier kids. They made excuses that it was too hard for the kids to go through the school year with holidays and such. They home schooled and it was a disaster. They had to send the kids back after a couple of years. One got kept back and the other one dropped out. Poor habits that get impounded into their heads. They did end up getting their GEDs and getting some schooling under the belt [1 year course], but it was a struggle to get to that point.

  The biggest problem with home schooling is that if you don't know the material that you're teaching or how to teach the material, [and that was the case with the parents] then you can't explain it to your students [kids].

  Do your children a favor and let them 'learn' in a real school. just [humble?]my opinion.

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