how credible are nwt's critiques?
: allin and john 8:58.a few weeks ago we had a discussion surrounding john 8.58. the posters in this forum offered various views in regards to jesus' divine role in scripture.
occasionally, some scholars publish articles where they voice their opinion against the nwt theological renderings.
how credible are nwt's critiques?
: allin and john 8:58.a few weeks ago we had a discussion surrounding john 8.58. the posters in this forum offered various views in regards to jesus' divine role in scripture.
occasionally, some scholars publish articles where they voice their opinion against the nwt theological renderings.
Wonderment-ultimately, the charges of Jesus's claims of divinity were brought before the Jewish leaders. That's why he was crucified.
You posted Secondly, did you read the context presented in the article?" See below:
Does it take Jesus claiming to be God to prompt the Jews to kill him? No. It was even forbidden for others to say that Jesus was the Messiah. (John 9:22) And why was Stephen the martyr stoned to death? Stephen was stoned, not because he claimed to be God, nor because he claimed Jesus was God, but because he was proclaiming Jesus to be the heavenly-exalted Son of Man, the Messiah. (Acts 7.55-58)
What nonsense. Of course they wanted to kill him for blasphemy. Why else would they want to kill Jesus? For saying 'I have been'? How ridiculous is that argument? Scripture says explicitly that it was because Jesus made himself equal to God. Read the text instead of posting nonsense void of reason. Lying for the truth is still lying and your thoughtful answers are decayed with common sense and reason...sorry
what is the word for jw religion?
is there any other religion that doesn't have a word?
catholics => catholicism.
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
l thought it might be a good idea to have a quick reference post to remind people of the faults within the jw org.what do others think.
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I'm with you cha ching.
Lying...not just lying to those they feel are unworthy for the truth, but they lie to everyone. They must lie because their history is so very limited, but to have a policy [either officially known as 'theocratic warfare', or unofficially as] 'lying for the Truth' is nothing short of disgraceful.
How? How does a person stay with such an organization that promotes such policy and then has the stones to call itself 'the truth'?
how credible are nwt's critiques?
: allin and john 8:58.a few weeks ago we had a discussion surrounding john 8.58. the posters in this forum offered various views in regards to jesus' divine role in scripture.
occasionally, some scholars publish articles where they voice their opinion against the nwt theological renderings.
Hello McFLy?
All of this study and work to prove or disprove grammatical wording and translating of a word or a phrase to disprove that Christ claimed to be God.
These arguments are null and voided out by the facts that those around Jesus wanted to kill him for blasphemy.
That valid point seems to be lost on those who promote 'I have been' instead of 'I am' .
Jesus was in danger of being killed on more than one occasion for the blasphemy of claiming equality with God. Note that he never once tried to correct the crowd to say he was misunderstood.
Of course, common sense will not prevail with the JW apologist
many members of this forum speculate that the lawsuits faced by the watchtower society are leading to its demise or at least putting incredible pressure on its ability to function as it has in the past.
the reports from wt and awake articles regarding the catholic church give credence to these members arguments.. note: comments by the society often have them taking the moral 'high ground'.
examination of the australian royal commission testimony and findings would leave any 'thinking person' shaking their head in disbelief.
Fair question. The WTS does send people door to door with a catholic book [the bible].
And they are promoting the name which was coined by a catholic monk an eon ago {Jehovah}
And say that they are the true heirs of these things.
I guess that's what must be done when your history spans 1/10 of the catholic church.
just saying,,,cause it's true
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
Former brother, What was the Christian alternative for the first centuries before the bible was compiled?
What was the alternative for Christianity for the 1850 plus years before the cult of WTS?
The bigger question is WHAT FRUITS HAS THE WTS GIVEN TO THE WORLD OR EVEN CHRISTIANITY?
Just asking
in my former indoctrinated state, i used to yearn for a time when all the world would be jws.
but hang on minute, let's just think about what the world would be like if everyone was a jw,.
first of all, no higher education, so no medical advances, no scientific research, no modern day medicine, infectious disease rife, no doctors, no engineers, so no modern day comforts.
Everyone would have polio.
No one would have a hospital, a school, or any charity towards other folks who needed help.
Just stating the facts
i think most scholarship would agree with a positive answer to that question.
but let's take a look for oursselves.
geza vermes, in his excellent translation ( the complete dead sea scrolls in english-penguin.
Do get the real feel of the early Christian Church you could [should] consult the church fathers and their writings. That is the real deal on what the early church was all about. It's important to remember that the bible followed the church [like 350 years later], the church didn't follow the bible [like it does for so many later Christian orgs]. Below is a copied/pasted article on a few early church fathers from Wikipedia. Notice that their writings are still preserved and available.
Sorry, no comment on the dead sea scrolls
His epistle, 1 Clement (c. 96),[5] was copied and widely read in the Early Church.[6] Clement calls on the Christians of Corinth to maintain harmony and order.[5] It is the earliest Christian epistle aside from the New Testament.
Ignatius of Antioch (also known as Theophorus) (c. 35–110)[7] was the third bishop or Patriarch of Antioch and a student of the Apostle John. En route to his martyrdom in Rome, Ignatius wrote a series of letters which have been preserved. Important topics addressed in these letters include ecclesiology, the sacraments, the role of bishops, and theIncarnation of Christ.[8] He is the second after Clement to mention Paul's epistles.[5]
Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69 – c. 155) was a Christian bishop of Smyrna (now İzmir in Turkey). It is recorded that he had been a disciple of "John." The options for this John areJohn, the son of Zebedee, traditionally viewed as the author of the Gospel of John, or John the Presbyter.[9] Traditional advocates follow Eusebius in insisting that the apostolic connection of Polycarp was with John the Evangelist, and that he was the author of the Gospel of John, and thus the Apostle John.
